Is homosexuality a sin?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Oh I don't know about that.

I'm interested in normalizing my desire to wanna to do it with a gal that I find funny and attractive, but according to many in the church leadership.....well nevermind.....

Heh, awesome.

Originally Posted by Archaea

Are we taking this too far?

Do we take the thoughts precede the action beyond its natural conclusions and beyond its pedagogical purpose?

Feel free to explain how you see it.

[A-Train]

Originally Posted by Archaea

What does the Russian proverb, "All cats are gray at night" have to do with this?

That is not a Russian proverb but attributed to Benjamin Franklin, explaining why to take an older woman to bed

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Tex

Heh, awesome.



Feel free to explain how you see it.

Was the purpose of the teaching to say, we will be considered sinners for every thought we entertain, or was it to say, "be careful, guard your thoughts, for men do not sin, unless they give it some forethought?"

Have our teachings expounded upon the original intent so as to blur it beyond recognition?

[Archaea]

Example.

Is it sin to see a person of your selection, think, wow, she's hot, and i bet ... and then go about your day, as opposed to, "wow, she's hot, it's time to put my game face on, and let's make a move. I'm going to do this and that, and thereafter we'll be swimming horizontal refreshment?"

[Surfah]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Was the purpose of the teaching to say, we will be considered sinners for every thought we entertain, or was it to say, "be careful, guard your thoughts, for men do not sin, unless they give it some forethought?"

Have our teachings expounded upon the original intent so as to blur it beyond recognition?

My priest quorum advisor said it best:

You can't keep a bird from landing on your head. But you can keep it from building a nest there.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Was the purpose of the teaching to say, we will be considered sinners for every thought we entertain, or was it to say, "be careful, guard your thoughts, for men do not sin, unless they give it some forethought?"

Have our teachings expounded upon the original intent so as to blur it beyond recognition?

Originally Posted by Archaea

Example.

Is it sin to see a person of your selection, think, wow, she's hot, and i bet ... and then go about your day, as opposed to, "wow, she's hot, it's time to put my game face on, and let's make a move. I'm going to do this and that, and thereafter we'll be swimming horizontal refreshment?"

I'm going to decline the Where Does This Rate On The Sliding Sin Scale game because I think it's a fruitless exercise.

Generally speaking, I believe we will be judged not just on what we have done, but on who we have become. I again reference Bednar's talk on clean hands and a pure heart.

Brothers and sisters, it is possible for us to have clean hands but not have a pure heart. Please notice that both clean hands and a pure heart are required to ascend into the hill of the Lord and to stand in His holy place.

...

Our sincere desire should be to have both clean hands and a pure heart—both a remission of sins from day to day and to walk guiltless before God. Clean hands alone will not be enough when we stand before Him who is pure and who, as “a lamb without blemish and without spot” (1 Peter 1:19), freely spilled His precious blood for us.

The portion I have omitted goes into a discussion of the difference, with illustrations from Benjamin's speech. He ends with Moroni's invitation to " deny yourselves of all ungodliness."

To me that sounds like more than simply making sure you don't sin. It sounds like attempting to excise the desire to sin.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by A-Train

That is not a Russian proverb but attributed to Benjamin Franklin, explaining why to take an older woman to bed

I'd do your Avatar.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by A-Train

That is not a Russian proverb but attributed to Benjamin Franklin, explaining why to take an older woman to bed

Not a perfect source, but .....

http://www.friends-partners.org/oldf...-proverbs.html

Note proverb 6.

[Surfah]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I'd do your Avatar.

Ironically she is gay.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Surfah

If homosexuality is not a choice, then is it not a sin?

I am not sure how God will judge homosexual behavior. I am not sure how God will judge a failed lifetime of heterosexual celibacy either.

Yes it is a sin in the same sense that heterosexual sex out of marriage is a sin, but I don't think any of us know for certainty how God will judge these people.

I can envision the Savior's atonement more than covering any demands for justice these people may face.