08-25-2008, 05:10 PM | #1 |
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The Federalist Society debate on gay marriage
http://www.fed-soc.org/debates/dbtid.24/default.asp
I've just read the first bit of it. But already, the discourse is far, far above what the church put out. |
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It's a much healthier debate than exists here.
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Nagel also points out something which is usually dismissed by gay advocates:
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I've read about a third of it, and I think Amy's arguments are real, but weak.
I thought one point brought up by another dude was interesting--we generally are not privy to the sex lives of others, including our close friends. Personally, I don't know a single person that I know to be having an affair. But no doubt, there is at least one person. What effect is this person having on my own moral choices? Essentially none. |
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Marriage is not a single monolithic entity, but the anti-gay marriage people (including, ironically, Mormons) are arguing that it is. |
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An aspect which is NOT compelling for me to disagree with Brother Seattle is that this is the Human Issue of our time. If it is, then we have really about minutiae in comparison to other times. Slave or free. Right of suffrage. Equal pay for same work and position. Who gets civilly recognized as "married" to obtain identical inheritance procedures and insurance benefits? Doesn't really get the passions stirred. I can see fighting wars over freedom, over racism, over sexism but over technical issues such as administrative procedures for inheritance and insurance benefits? Jeez, and people wonder why it's not an interesting debate, but it's a debate primarily about money. It's not about subjugation, it's not about freedom, the right to own property, the right to say or publish what one wishes, it's not about any of the grand narratives, but an issue about procedural rights, i.e., whether the probate laws apply or whether parties must address them in estate planning which should be required of all so that attorneys make more money, and whether certain insurance benefits accrue. Does anybody who is a gay advocate see why it really isn't a big picture item, but just one of a million other small issues in our marketplace where people are fighting over every little dime?
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The argument is real simple: gay sex/marriage is not ordained of God.
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That appears to be the difficulty you have placed yourself in. "Fear-mongering with no evidence" pretty much describes christianity from a secualr POV. But if one believes, as you claim to, that the LDS church is true, then it is something else and perhpas it most singulalrly distinguishing feature in these days is belief in a current prophet. So do you support this feature or not? If so, how far do you go? As with most things on this site, your protests here are much more about you than the issue itself, it seems to me.
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