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fusnik11 · 10-12-2005, 08:27 PM

if one reads...

job 1: 6...

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

in the pre-existence would the lord not have been in heaven? if satan were to visit the lord, what extent is his banishment?

continues in 8-12....

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my aservant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will bcurse thee to thy face.

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

it seems as if satan is receiving a commission from the lord to do what he is suppose to be doing in the first place...tempting job...

another interesting passage found in the old testament....

Isaiah 45:7-8

7 That they may know from the rising sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord , and there is none else.

8 I form the light, and create the darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

so question, is satan fulfilling a calling created by the lord? if so is he fulfilling it because he is evil, or because its the opposition needed to create exaltation?

another question, satan knows he is going to lose, why would he continuosly forge a losing battle? he knew from the very beginning that he would lose, why fight?

Archaea · 10-12-2005, 09:19 PM

that would be my guess.

ute4ever · 10-12-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fusnik11

satan knows he is going to lose, why would he continuosly forge a losing battle? he knew from the very beginning that he would lose, why fight?

In sports, you can lose the game yet claim a "moral victory." If he can screw enough people over by leading them astray, he's won something.

Then again maybe he has so much pride and stubborness that he refuses to believe that it's impossible for him not to win.

SteelBlue · 10-13-2005, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

Then again maybe he has so much pride and stubborness that he refuses to believe that it's impossible for him not to win.

That's something I've often wondered about.

MikeWaters · 10-13-2005, 02:12 AM

isn't it possible for both to win?

God doesn't want to be Satan, and Satan doesn't want to be God.

I don't understand it all, what the nature of opposition is.

fusnik11 · 10-13-2005, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

I wouldn't look to the Book of Job for doctrine it probably isn't really scripture. Just a nice metaphorical tell that never really .

interesting take...

what makes you think that?

we read job in high school for an advanced literature class.....

our teacher who felt the same way about the book of job.

ute4ever · 10-13-2005, 10:38 PM

I too have heard people say they do not believe Job is doctrinal.

I mean think about it, God and Satan wagering (so to speak) over ruining a man's life? Satan saying "I bet I can get him to curse you!" And God pridefully taking the bait?

Sounds similar to the old Eddie Murphy film "Trading Places."

fusnik11 · 10-13-2005, 10:42 PM

didnt you read my original post?

its because satan isnt evil i tell you and he is just filling out his calling given to him by the lord!

:wink:

10-12-2005, 08:27 PM	#1
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	interesting view on the devil and his role... if one reads... job 1: 6... 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. in the pre-existence would the lord not have been in heaven? if satan were to visit the lord, what extent is his banishment? continues in 8-12.... 8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my aservant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will bcurse thee to thy face. 12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy apower; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. it seems as if satan is receiving a commission from the lord to do what he is suppose to be doing in the first place...tempting job... another interesting passage found in the old testament.... Isaiah 45:7-8 7 That they may know from the rising sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me. I am the Lord , and there is none else. 8 I form the light, and create the darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. so question, is satan fulfilling a calling created by the lord? if so is he fulfilling it because he is evil, or because its the opposition needed to create exaltation? another question, satan knows he is going to lose, why would he continuosly forge a losing battle? he knew from the very beginning that he would lose, why fight?

10-12-2005, 09:19 PM	#2
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Or is it a calling that one self selects? that would be my guess. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

10-13-2005, 10:42 PM	#8
fusnik11 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,506	... didnt you read my original post? its because satan isnt evil i tell you and he is just filling out his calling given to him by the lord! :wink:

10-13-2005, 02:12 AM	#5
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	isn't it possible for both to win? God doesn't want to be Satan, and Satan doesn't want to be God. I don't understand it all, what the nature of opposition is.

10-13-2005, 10:38 PM	#7
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	I too have heard people say they do not believe Job is doctrinal. I mean think about it, God and Satan wagering (so to speak) over ruining a man's life? Satan saying "I bet I can get him to curse you!" And God pridefully taking the bait? Sounds similar to the old Eddie Murphy film "Trading Places."