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Tex · 09-10-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

McCain is not competing well in the swing states, though polls show him winning over some of those voters in the last week.

I guess it all depends which polls one picks and chooses to read. In the one's I'm looking at, McCain is within the margin of error in some of those R's typically lose (such as PA), and ahead in others.

Tex · 09-10-2008, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Nah, the trump card is still issues. Go back to economics. Play McCain's quotes (there are at least 3 from the last year) where he says he doesn't understand economics, and in one he says he bought Greenspan's book to learn! Show clips of him saying he doesn't understand computers or even know how to operate them. Make him look old and out of touch. A 20th century leader in a 21st century world.

McCain will likely someday become the issue again, but right now McCain is not Obama's problem. His top two problems at the moment are:

1. His own mouth
2. Palin

Levin · 09-10-2008, 04:11 PM

Obama was not referring to Palin, and he followed the pig comment with the stinky fish comment. Now, women are often referred to as stinky fish, but it's clear that Obama was using a well-worn saying that McCain has employed in this campaign. It was perhaps not smart to use the saying, but it was not aimed at Palin, and I think the McCain camp is unwise to use it against him. It will turn off many independents as ugly and opportunistic politicking.

myboynoah · 09-10-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YOhio

If you want me to mock Hillary and say that she's not a woman, I will not stoop that low. mbn, we have come too far for that kind of sexism. We have worked too hard to see woman mocked for their looks and feared for their competency. We'll leave that garbage for the democrats.

I was calling you out as the sexist pig (sans lipstick) that you are, my friend. Your faux concern for "women" is touching, yet your culture convicts you. SU can help you out with this.

myboynoah · 09-10-2008, 04:42 PM

Obama should have been smarter than to use "lipstick on a pig" after Palin made "lipstick" her word at the convention. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I think the crowd reaction brought on an epiphany, hence the stinky fish analogy. He was backpeddling by then.

Wasn't it just a few days ago that Obama was touting his running of his own campaign as evidence of his being prepared to be president? This past week is convincing proof that he isn't up to the job. Now he's running out of money and appealing to the 527s to take up the slack.

Obama may well become the president. But by then, we'll all be well aware that he is nothing more than an empty suit. Harry Reed and Nancy Pelosi can't wait.

BYU71 · 09-10-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Levin

Obama was not referring to Palin, and he followed the pig comment with the stinky fish comment. Now, women are often referred to as stinky fish, but it's clear that Obama was using a well-worn saying that McCain has employed in this campaign. It was perhaps not smart to use the saying, but it was not aimed at Palin, and I think the McCain camp is unwise to use it against him. It will turn off many independents as ugly and opportunistic politicking.

Why do you think the audience laughed a lot harder at the "pig" joke than they did the "stinky fish" joke. Perhaps they caught on better than you??

YOhio · 09-10-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

I was calling you out as the sexist pig (sans lipstick) that you are, my friend. Your faux concern for "women" is touching, yet your culture convicts you. SU can help you out with this.

I'm not sexist. One of my best friends is female.

myboynoah · 09-10-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

Why do you think the audience laughed a lot harder at the "pig" joke than they did the "stinky fish" joke. Perhaps they caught on better than you??

Exactly. They made the connection immediately.

BarbaraGordon · 09-10-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by YOhio

I'm not sexist. One of my best friends is female.

My brother's even married to one!

Levin · 09-10-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by myboynoah

Exactly. They made the connection immediately.

Of course they made the connection, but that does not mean that Obama intended for them to make the connection. He knew it was a dumb thing to say, and I agree that's why he threw on the stinky fish comment. But not in a million years did Obama intentionally make an implicit dig at Palin as a pig. McCain is idiotic to play this card, and his new ad is disgusting politics. This will backfire against McCain. Does he want to win votes? He should have come out and said, "I know Obama did not intend to call my runningmate a pig. End of story." This approach would have worked wonderfully well: It's honest, magnanimous, and it shines a light on the Obama comment, which was dumb.

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Levin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,484	Obama was not referring to Palin, and he followed the pig comment with the stinky fish comment. Now, women are often referred to as stinky fish, but it's clear that Obama was using a well-worn saying that McCain has employed in this campaign. It was perhaps not smart to use the saying, but it was not aimed at Palin, and I think the McCain camp is unwise to use it against him. It will turn off many independents as ugly and opportunistic politicking. __________________ "Now I say that I know the meaning of my life: 'To live for God, for my soul.' And this meaning, in spite of its clearness, is mysterious and marvelous. Such is the meaning of all existence." Levin, Anna Karenina, Part 8, Chapter 12

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myboynoah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Memphis freakin' Tennessee!!!!! Posts: 4,530	Obama should have been smarter than to use "lipstick on a pig" after Palin made "lipstick" her word at the convention. Dumb, dumb, dumb. I think the crowd reaction brought on an epiphany, hence the stinky fish analogy. He was backpeddling by then. Wasn't it just a few days ago that Obama was touting his running of his own campaign as evidence of his being prepared to be president? This past week is convincing proof that he isn't up to the job. Now he's running out of money and appealing to the 527s to take up the slack. Obama may well become the president. But by then, we'll all be well aware that he is nothing more than an empty suit. Harry Reed and Nancy Pelosi can't wait. __________________ Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith.