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MikeWaters · 08-24-2010, 08:26 PM

This thing has really picked up political steam.

I was just emailed this video. Almost 4 million views.

And you have Obama weighing in with support, although he later claims that he was articulating general principles of liberty, and not supporting the mosque specifically.

I'm sensitive to this, because us LDS folks have seen many a temple blocked or protested against.

On the other hand, I'm trying to imagine how Muslims would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm thinking they would not be nearly as accommodating. Call me crazy.

And the other thing is this: as much as this thing has blown up, I can't imagine that I would believe it was in my religious community's best interest to build the mosque/center there.

Muslim countries don't even allow freedom of religion!

My opinion is that as long as you have the legal right to build, you can. But that doesn't mean that people have to like you, or cooperate, or otherwise legally not impede you.

If you do something that is in bad taste, you can expect to receive comments and reaction.

You know there are many things about Islam and Muslims that are problematic. All you need do is look at the LDS policy of not teaching the gospel to Muslims. This was a specific instruction from my mission president, and was explained as a church-wide policy.

Now on to the smaller picture--do you need more proof at what a complete amateur this president is? He is awful.

MikeWaters · 08-24-2010, 10:10 PM

btw, I think it is interesting that this Brit thinks that Americans naturally agree that the Nazi(-ish) party(ies) are (or ought to be) banned.

He doesn't realize that we have a much more freedom-loving society than that. We have all kinds of neo-nazis running around.

It goes to show the difference in mentality between the typical European and the typical American.

Like the banning of burkhas in France. No way most Americans would support that, even if they don't like burkhas.

wuapinmon · 08-25-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Like the banning of burkhas in France. No way most Americans would support that, even if they don't like burkhas.

That's the core of it all though, right? I just have this feeling of knowing that ultimately we'll come to our senses and see this as so "American" that we'll actually allow this to be built there. Not that it matters, but some dead guys who started this whole game would be proud; maybe Voltaire too. For my part, I think they can build wherever, but I just wish they wouldn't.

Archaea · 08-25-2010, 03:03 PM

It's in New York city, and a small building by that city's standards. Four blocks? You might as well be in New Jersey. It's a bit of an act of fitna, but who cares. NYC gets too much attention.

08-24-2010, 08:26 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	The Victory Mosque This thing has really picked up political steam. I was just emailed this video. Almost 4 million views. And you have Obama weighing in with support, although he later claims that he was articulating general principles of liberty, and not supporting the mosque specifically. I'm sensitive to this, because us LDS folks have seen many a temple blocked or protested against. On the other hand, I'm trying to imagine how Muslims would feel if the shoe was on the other foot. I'm thinking they would not be nearly as accommodating. Call me crazy. And the other thing is this: as much as this thing has blown up, I can't imagine that I would believe it was in my religious community's best interest to build the mosque/center there. Muslim countries don't even allow freedom of religion! My opinion is that as long as you have the legal right to build, you can. But that doesn't mean that people have to like you, or cooperate, or otherwise legally not impede you. If you do something that is in bad taste, you can expect to receive comments and reaction. You know there are many things about Islam and Muslims that are problematic. All you need do is look at the LDS policy of not teaching the gospel to Muslims. This was a specific instruction from my mission president, and was explained as a church-wide policy. Now on to the smaller picture--do you need more proof at what a complete amateur this president is? He is awful.

08-25-2010, 03:03 PM	#4
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	It's in New York city, and a small building by that city's standards. Four blocks? You might as well be in New Jersey. It's a bit of an act of fitna, but who cares. NYC gets too much attention. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

08-24-2010, 10:10 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	btw, I think it is interesting that this Brit thinks that Americans naturally agree that the Nazi(-ish) party(ies) are (or ought to be) banned. He doesn't realize that we have a much more freedom-loving society than that. We have all kinds of neo-nazis running around. It goes to show the difference in mentality between the typical European and the typical American. Like the banning of burkhas in France. No way most Americans would support that, even if they don't like burkhas.