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[BYU71]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Well, then your link to an article about a Mexican immigrant mass murderer was at best entirely gratuitous and at worst suggestive of Mexican immigrants being more prone to commit mass murder. What if someone posted a link to an article about a black who committed a mass murder (it's hard for me to think of any examples because they usually are white males) and said, "I like blacks who are not like this." Would that be kosher? Tex, either you are unapologetically filled with hate for all but white males or you're just an ignoramus. This exchange is the proof.

I actually felt the same way toward you when reading your thoughts on the MMM.

I guess that is not surprising though. You and Tex are both capable of being ignoramus's. Especially when talking with one another.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by BYU71

While I consider myself a conservative, I don't ally myself with the right wingers or religious right. Much the same as I don't ally myself with the right wingers or religious right at BYU. They think they are so principled that they don't understand the concept of compromise. That sometimes is the problem with people who think God is directing them.

Those on the right who didn't help Bush on the immigration thing I am not too fond of.

I didn't care much for the bill that just got rejected because it was too complicated and too costly. But the general concept was a good one. It makes no sense to fight tooth and nail against economic forces. It's much better to find a solution that works with the tide rather than against it.

[creekster]

Tex's comment could have been more accurately worded, but I took it to be a crticism of illegal immigration becaseu there is no screening. IOW, if we make legal immigration easier and faster and make illegal immigration more difficult, it will be easier for us to keep persons with criminal histories out of the country.

Of course, if you want to look for rascism, I suppose you can find it there, but I didn't see it as being intended.

[Tex]

What I meant by the comment was: we have enough home-grown murderers already. We don't need to import anymore via illegal immigration, regardless of their race. Put more simply: were our immigration policies better written and better enforced, the good people would get in and the bad people wouldn't.

I'm not surprised that SeattleUte read the post and saw racism, but I expect more from some of the rest of you.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

What I meant by the comment was: we have enough home-grown murderers already. We don't need to import anymore via illegal immigration, regardless of their race. Put more simply: were our immigration policies better written and better enforced, the good people would get in and the bad people wouldn't.

I'm not surprised that SeattleUte read the post and saw racism, but I expect more from some of the rest of you.

Expect more from the rest of us. Who besides Seattle took issue with you. Maybe I missed it.

Do you see ghosts??

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Expect more from the rest of us. Who besides Seattle took issue with you. Maybe I missed it.

Do you see ghosts??

Anyone who might agree with SeattleUte, publicly or not. If that's not you, then don't worry about it.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by BYU71

I actually felt the same way toward you when reading your thoughts on the MMM.

Do you mean when I said that Brigham Young's crying about the incident was not highly probabitive of his innocence?

Or when I said that how good a movie is September Dawn, not how factual it is, is the most important question for Mormons concerned about its impact?

Or when I said how much sense does it make that the Saints who actually killed the pioneers did so on their own initiative given Mormons' respect for chain of command and Brigham Young's stature and visibility in that young Mormon community?

How is any of the foregoing remotely analogous to Tex's post saying "I don't want no Mexican mass murderers to immigrate?"

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

Tex's comment could have been more accurately worded, but I took it to be a crticism of illegal immigration becaseu there is no screening. IOW, if we make legal immigration easier and faster and make illegal immigration more difficult, it will be easier for us to keep persons with criminal histories out of the country.

Of course, if you want to look for rascism, I suppose you can find it there, but I didn't see it as being intended.

Now you know darn good and well that if a presidential candidate or a CEO or a talk show host or anyone who matters in the public sphere for that matter, especially a white male, said this,

Originally Posted by Tex

Agreed. We want more good, hard-working immigrants, and fewer of these:

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_225060735.html

It would mean his immediate self-destruction.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Now you know darn good and well that if a presidential candidate or a CEO or a talk show host or anyone who matters in the public sphere for that matter, especially a white male, said this,

It would mean his immediate self-destruction.

You are one of the few people on this board who could object to the desire to prohibit murderers from illegally entering the country.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

Anyone who might agree with SeattleUte, publicly or not. If that's not you, then don't worry about it.

It is more of a curiousity thing than a worry thing. Since it is pretty well established you are more conservative than I, I think we can agree it is in your nature to worry more about what people are thinking or doing than I am.