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Cali Coug · 07-26-2007, 08:27 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

il Padrino Ute · 07-26-2007, 08:29 PM

Gonzales just doesn't get it. Not sure why he doesn't do the right thing and resign.

Tex · 07-26-2007, 08:54 PM

Tex: "Lastly, we all know this isn't about Gonzales. He's just the whipping boy for the great white whale: Karl Rove. Pat Leahy is as much an Ahab as anyone in Washington."

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...43&postcount=6

The Hill: "Leahy issues subpoena for Rove"

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-07-26.html

Tex · 07-27-2007, 03:22 PM

John Hinderaker on Gonzales' supposed perjury.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/018349.php

MikeWaters · 07-27-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex

John Hinderaker on Gonzales' supposed perjury.

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/018349.php

The premise of this blog post is that Gonzales wouldn't do something stupid.

Good luck with that.

Tex · 07-27-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The premise of this blog post is that Gonzales wouldn't do something stupid.

Good luck with that.

The premise of the anti-Bushites is that everyone in the administration is either stupid or evil. It's a nice little fantasy for the angry and nutty, but those still thinking rationally acknowledge that doesn't really make sense.

SeattleUte · 07-27-2007, 03:37 PM

I think Congress is out of control. One of my former partners was one of the fired U.S. Attorneys. He went to a small, middling midwestern law school, graduate sans honors, and had a quiet and competent private practice career. He does have some panache. In other words, he is a competent lawyer, but no Giulani or Brandeis. But his older brother was a big Bush fund raiser, and a U.S. Attorney before him, as were his fathers big Republican backers. My former partner went on to be a White House fellow under Bush Sr., then he worked in the administration in a lower level appointed job, and finally he raised a lot of money for GWB. He comes from a big conservative Catholic family.

My point is that these guys all got where they are based on political patronage pure and simple. So the way I see it, live by the sword, die by the sword. You don't play your cards right and get fire for political reasons, well, you played your cards right with the same people who fired you and got where you are. Mammon giveth and it taketh away. Big deal. There's no cognizable evidence this was an effort to sway ongoing investigations, prosecutions, etc.

I think Americans care little about this (as they did about the Clinton scandal). One thing I don't want is another special prosecutor running amok, spending tens of millions trying to destroy Gonzolez. Yes, I do loath Gonzoles and his minions, as I've stated before; I loath everything they stand for, and I think Gonzoles shaded the truth. But we need to do a cost-benefit analysis here, and the only reason Congress wants to go the purgery charges route is this scandal otherwise is dying a quick death because, seriously, no one cares.

MikeWaters · 07-27-2007, 03:44 PM

It's been repeated many times that the federal attorney in New Mexico was pressured to bring charges against democrats for voter fraud. Of course, everyone disputes that is why he was fired.

I don't get who Bush hires. Like this woman who was the Liason between the WH and the Justice Dept. She's 31 years old, and I was dumbfounded when I found out she had been in this job for 7 years!

And what about that woman that pleaded the 5th? She graduated from Pat Robertson U. and had no distinguishing credentials.

Kyle Sampson? Completely over his head and incompetnent BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.

SeattleUte · 07-27-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's been repeated many times that the federal attorney in New Mexico was pressured to bring charges against democrats for voter fraud. Of course, everyone disputes that is why he was fired.

I don't get who Bush hires. Like this woman who was the Liason between the WH and the Justice Dept. She's 31 years old, and I was dumbfounded when I found out she had been in this job for 7 years!

And what about that woman that pleaded the 5th? She graduated from Pat Robertson U. and had no distinguishing credentials.

Kyle Sampson? Completely over his head and incompetnent BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I agree. The whole thing is reprehensible and rotton to the core, and the least of it is the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. Really they just turned on their own. But we are a democracy and if the American people don't care from the standpoint of Congress taking a club to the executive branch they should just leave these loathsome poeple to their political karma. I'm not in favor of these big special prosetor shows becaue they're very political and there is always pay back. It's a vicious circle. None of these people should be in public office, but I'm not convinced they deserve to go to jail, though were I dictator I'd be sorely tempted to put them away and torture them and stuff.

BlueK · 07-27-2007, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex

The premise of the anti-Bushites is that everyone in the administration is either stupid or evil. It's a nice little fantasy for the angry and nutty, but those still thinking rationally acknowledge that doesn't really make sense.

No, Gonzales really does scare the crap out of me for good reason. Naturally, none of those many reasons will resonate with you anyway, so who cares.

07-26-2007, 08:27 PM	#1
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	Gonzales just keeps digging... http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

07-26-2007, 08:29 PM	#2
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Gonzales just doesn't get it. Not sure why he doesn't do the right thing and resign. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

07-27-2007, 03:37 PM	#7
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	I think Congress is out of control. One of my former partners was one of the fired U.S. Attorneys. He went to a small, middling midwestern law school, graduate sans honors, and had a quiet and competent private practice career. He does have some panache. In other words, he is a competent lawyer, but no Giulani or Brandeis. But his older brother was a big Bush fund raiser, and a U.S. Attorney before him, as were his fathers big Republican backers. My former partner went on to be a White House fellow under Bush Sr., then he worked in the administration in a lower level appointed job, and finally he raised a lot of money for GWB. He comes from a big conservative Catholic family. My point is that these guys all got where they are based on political patronage pure and simple. So the way I see it, live by the sword, die by the sword. You don't play your cards right and get fire for political reasons, well, you played your cards right with the same people who fired you and got where you are. Mammon giveth and it taketh away. Big deal. There's no cognizable evidence this was an effort to sway ongoing investigations, prosecutions, etc. I think Americans care little about this (as they did about the Clinton scandal). One thing I don't want is another special prosecutor running amok, spending tens of millions trying to destroy Gonzolez. Yes, I do loath Gonzoles and his minions, as I've stated before; I loath everything they stand for, and I think Gonzoles shaded the truth. But we need to do a cost-benefit analysis here, and the only reason Congress wants to go the purgery charges route is this scandal otherwise is dying a quick death because, seriously, no one cares. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

07-26-2007, 08:54 PM	#3
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	Tex: "Lastly, we all know this isn't about Gonzales. He's just the whipping boy for the great white whale: Karl Rove. Pat Leahy is as much an Ahab as anyone in Washington." http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...43&postcount=6 The Hill: "Leahy issues subpoena for Rove" http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...007-07-26.html

07-27-2007, 03:22 PM	#4
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	John Hinderaker on Gonzales' supposed perjury. http://powerlineblog.com/archives/018349.php

07-27-2007, 03:44 PM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It's been repeated many times that the federal attorney in New Mexico was pressured to bring charges against democrats for voter fraud. Of course, everyone disputes that is why he was fired. I don't get who Bush hires. Like this woman who was the Liason between the WH and the Justice Dept. She's 31 years old, and I was dumbfounded when I found out she had been in this job for 7 years! And what about that woman that pleaded the 5th? She graduated from Pat Robertson U. and had no distinguishing credentials. Kyle Sampson? Completely over his head and incompetnent BY HIS OWN ADMISSION. I get the feeling this is just the tip of the iceberg.