If there is a Heavenly Mother, why does she play no role

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Finally, Goat throws a bone embedded with words of wisdom. This is so amusing to observe a bunch of "men" tell me why I should be happy to be a second class citizen in the church.

Do you want to be a bishop or something? If so, you don't understand how crappy higher priesthood callings are. Count your blessings.

The GA, newly minted bishop or immature CG'er (hi JL) who publicly praises his wife is nothing more than patronizing and demeaning.

Thank you for speaking for every wife of a GA in the church. Why don't you go ask one how they feel about it? Just because you think it's demeaning doesn't mean it is. You sound very bitter.

What you are really saying is "I appreciate my wife for being submissive to my awkward attempts at romance/sex and indulging my appetite for attention.

What you are really saying is, "I hate men and think they are all pigs."

See how fun it is to have your statements misinterpreted by complete strangers?

I had a HC once tell me he enjoyed "looking down" at the congregation while sitting his fat ass on the stand and assessing our failings.

Relevance = fail.

[Indy Coug]

If you're doing things right, your wife should make you a better man and you should be making your wife a better woman. That's the greatness of marriage.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96

I think that is patronizing. I think a relationship is at its best when we are equally yoked, so does Christ.

However, we want to appear humble and one way to do this is to be self-depreciating, but if we are self-depriciating while pointing out it is best to be equally yoked, we are insulting our wives. So it appears some use the better half talk so that the women feel better about themselves because we men suck.

I don't know how to crack the nut, but I think it is better to elevate the actual accomplishments of women above and beyond marrying me, a GA. In fact it seems to me that when actual Apostles speak they elevate the accomplishments of their wives based upon what they have done rather than by denigrating themselves and making their marriage to a successful man to be their significant accomplishment.

I don't see how this patronizing attitude will change until the GAs are selected from outside their protective coocoon.

And some cultures are more patronizing than others. African cultures can be very patronizing. It would be healthy to view women differently but I don't see it happening. How many of those patronizing comments will we endure this Conference?

And how many times will men be lambasted for not being as good as women? Maybe we can keep a score sheet.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Requiem

Finally, Goat throws a bone embedded with words of wisdom. This is so amusing to observe a bunch of "men" tell me why I should be happy to be a second class citizen in the church. The GA, newly minted bishop or immature CG'er (hi JL) who publicly praises his wife is nothing more than patronizing and demeaning. What you are really saying is "I appreciate my wife for being submissive to my awkward attempts at romance/sex and indulging my appetite for attention. I had a HC once tell me he enjoyed "looking down" at the congregation while sitting his fat ass on the stand and assessing our failings.

Man, pull the bug out of your alimentary canal. Just for kicks, I just asked my wife if she feels like a 2nd class citizen in church and she laughed at the notion.

Do you want her cell number so you can scream at her for being that stupid?

[MikeWaters]

Actually, I couldn't probably pull off being scoutmaster without Farrah. She has helped a ton with the logistics.

But that's not the main reason I value her.

[Requiem]

At the risk of being bold rather than submissive, I would like to address the original topic of this thread. While the LDS doctrine re: a Heavenly Mother is vague and not specifically addressed, there are historical women in scriptural and apcrophyal writings who played significant roles. Queen Esther, Mary Magdalene, Mary and her mother St. Anne are just a few. Yet the LDS culture downplays their influence. Very few lessons or doctrinal messages reference the historical role of women. Are you all afraid?

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by Requiem

At the risk of being bold rather than submissive, I would like to address the original topic of this thread. While the LDS doctrine re: a Heavenly Mother is vague and not specifically addressed, there are historical women in scriptural and apcrophyal writings who played significant roles. Queen Esther, Mary Magdalene, Mary and her mother St. Anne are just a few. Yet the LDS culture downplays their influence. Very few lessons or doctrinal messages reference the historical role of women. Are you all afraid?

How dare you be bold. Go back to your kitchen and start cooking supper.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

Just because I hate women does not mean I'm a male chauvinist.

I notice that with the ones who know me, they usually hate me more than I hate them.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Man, pull the bug out of your alimentary canal. Just for kicks, I just asked my wife if she feels like a 2nd class citizen in church and she laughed at the notion.

Do you want her cell number so you can scream at her for being that stupid?

I'm no Kreskin, but I have a feeling that requiem will take exception to this post.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

I'm no Kreskin, but I have a feeling that requiem will take exception to this post.

The way requiem has been acting so far in this thread, I agree. Seems she'll take exception to any post directed towards her.