Metallica - Death Magnetic

[mpfunk]

I guess I will do you a service and educate you on this.

It will be highly unlikely that the A's bring Inoa up until he is 20 years old, and even then it is more likely he is brought up when he is 21.

So here is how the clock starts on free agency.

3-years of service in MLB and you are arbitration eligible.
6-years on a roster until you are free agency eligible.

This means Inoa at the earliest because a free agent when he is 27 more likely when he is 28. The A's will get at least 6-years of Major league service out of him. The 25-28 year old period will likely be the prime of his career, sure you can throw out guys like Clemens, Randy Johnson but those guys are the exceptions not the rule.

Alternatively, the A's could do something similar to what they did with Rich Harden. Sign him to a contract extension during his 3rd year to avoid arbitration. It would not be difficult to lock him up at a 4-year contract at that time, which could give the A's 7 years of his services.

I guess there really is no consensus on when pitchers seem to decline, but most studies really put that from about 28 on that pitchers start to decline.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...rs_to_decline/

[mpfunk]

Here is another interesting study.

"From this, I think it is safe to say that the best estimate of peak pitching performance is a little more than 28. It is a little higher for good pitchers, and a little earlier for lower quality pitchers."

http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomi...g-performance/

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

This is hilarious in light of the Michel Inoa conversation. Really you know nothing about rookie contracts and salary control for players in MLB.

And in spite of all your fellatio over Moneyball..it hasn't won the A's Jack shit in terms of being able to keep those players has it?

*Cue next bullshit dishonest response trying to back up his claim while pretending he's actually a legit A's fan before the extremely overated Moneyball came along post*

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

And in spite of all your fellatio over Moneyball..it hasn't won the A's Jack shit in terms of being able to keep those players has it?

*Cue next bullshit dishonest response trying to back up his claim while pretending he's actually a legit A's fan before the extremely overated Moneyball came along post*

Nice job addressing the substance of the argument.

I wasn't an A's fan before reading Moneyball because I wasn't a baseball fan before Moneyball. Try again.

Have you even read Moneyball or have you read it and misunderstand the point behind the book like 95% of the people who read it?

Seeing as you refuse to address the substance of any argument, I doubt you will answer this one, but please in one sentence describe the point of Moneyball. It should be easy for anyone who read the book and understands the book.

Thank you in advance.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

Nice job addressing the substance of the argument.

I wasn't an A's fan before reading Moneyball because I wasn't a baseball fan before Moneyball. Try again.

Have you even read Moneyball or have you read it and misunderstand the point behind the book like 95% of the people who read it?

Seeing as you refuse to address the substance of any argument, I doubt you will answer this one, but please in one sentence describe the point of Moneyball. It should be easy for anyone who read the book and understands the book.

Thank you in advance.

Your response had substance to it?

Next thing you know Funk might actually understand what the fuck even he himself is posting.

I'm curious to see which miracle occurs first.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Your response had substance to it?

Next thing you know Funk might actually understand what the fuck even he himself is posting.

I'm curious to see which miracle occurs first.

Let me spell it out in a simple form because you don't seem to have inability to follow an argument.

1) I stated that the A's will hold the rights to Michel Inoa what is most likely the most productive years of his career 21 through approximately 28.
2) I gave you the details on MLB rookie salary contracts (3 years until arbitration eligible and 6 years until free agency eligible)
3) You stated the A's wouldn't likely have his best years
4) I gave studies on when pitchers begin to decline to support my argument that the A's will likely have Inoa through his best years
5) You throw out insults.

In this whole thing you are the one who made up that I was making a claim that the A's would keep him after free agency. If he ends up being great it is unlikely that the A's hold onto him after his free agency years. He is likely a 6-7 year player for the A's. I'm very happy with this because that means we get his best years.

I'm still waiting on your thoughts on Moneyball.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

Let me spell it out in a simple form because you don't seem to have inability to follow an argument.

1) I stated that the A's will hold the rights to Michel Inoa what is most likely the most productive years of his career 21 through approximately 28.
2) I gave you the details on MLB rookie salary contracts (3 years until arbitration eligible and 6 years until free agency eligible)
3) You stated the A's wouldn't likely have his best years
4) I gave studies on when pitchers begin to decline to support my argument that the A's will likely have Inoa through his best years
5) You throw out insults.

In this whole thing you are the one who made up that I was making a claim that the A's would keep him after free agency. If he ends up being great it is unlikely that the A's hold onto him after his free agency years. He is likely a 6-7 year player for the A's. I'm very happy with this because that means we get his best years.

I'm still waiting on your thoughts on Moneyball.

Time will tell if you get his best years.

Moneyball hasn't won the A's a World Series yet much less got them to it.

Cue Funk's excuse that only the teams who're lucky win the World Series.

[mpfunk]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Time will tell if you get his best years.

Moneyball hasn't won the A's a World Series yet much less got them to it.

Cue Funk's excuse that only the teams who're lucky win the World Series.

Still not addressing the argument. Also, still haven't given a simple statement of the point of Moneyball. You keep throwing out the term Moneyball but cannot even define what it is.

It isn't excuse that only teams who are lucky win the World Series. When no statistical study can really show what factor wins in the playoffs, it becomes clear that luck is a major factor. Read the chapter Why Billy Beane's Shit Doesn't Work in the Playoffs in Baseball Between the Numbers. Oh wait, you refuse to acknowledge anything that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by mpfunk

Still not addressing the argument. Also, still haven't given a simple statement of the point of Moneyball. You keep throwing out the term Moneyball but cannot even define what it is.

It isn't excuse that only teams who are lucky win the World Series. When no statistical study can really show what factor wins in the playoffs, it becomes clear that luck is a major factor. Read the chapter Why Billy Beane's Shit Doesn't Work in the Playoffs in Baseball Between the Numbers. Oh wait, you refuse to acknowledge anything that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions.

Yep, no post-season success certainly equals to "pre-conceived" notions instead of factual reality and history having already spoken for itself.

Dumbass.

[TripletDaddy]

All this could have been avoided if mpfunk didnt dis Metallica.