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Archaea · 08-16-2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Then why must it be 'committed' as set forth above? Becasue those that aren't committed fail? Thus we define them by their result and so can say they never fail, if they are committed.

Was the French Resistance in WWII guerrilla warfare?

French are not warriors, so I doubt we count them as guerillas, and they have lost their fair share of guerilla fights, in Africa, in Vietnam and Indochina, and one might suppose in South America, given their measely colonial claims there.

SeattleUte · 08-16-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Was the French Resistance in WWII guerrilla warfare?

The whole reason that the term "Vichy France" is so shameful in its connotation is that "French resistance" is a literally laughable oxymoron. I suppose it's to head off examples such as the "French resistance" that one is tempted to use the adjective "committed" in discussions about inevitable success of guerrilla warfare. But the French fought no guerrilla war at all and so hence probably the adjective is unnecessary.

Venkman · 08-17-2006, 02:18 AM

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When has an occupying force ever defeated a committed guerilla war insurgency?

How bout the Phillipine-American war? The Fillipino's definitely used guerilla war against the Americans and lost. Obviously they lost their "commitment", but I think it had something to do with the US Army ruthlessly kicking their asses. The US wouldn't and couldn't ever prosecute a war in that manner in this day and age.

Frank Ryan · 08-20-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Venkman

How bout the Phillipine-American war? The Fillipino's definitely used guerilla war against the Americans and lost. Obviously they lost their "commitment", but I think it had something to do with the US Army ruthlessly kicking their asses. The US wouldn't and couldn't ever prosecute a war in that manner in this day and age.

That war doesn't seem all that modern, turn of the century wasn't it?

Cali Coug · 08-20-2006, 02:06 AM

The Second Boer War would be a classic example. The British faced guerilla warfare from the Boers who were dressed in regular clothing sniping at British soldiers. The British became frustrated with guerilla warfare in the First Boer War and eventually gave up (though their peace treaty gave a victory on paper to the British). In the Second, the British crushed the Boer resistance.

Venkman · 08-21-2006, 07:23 PM

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That war doesn't seem all that modern, turn of the century wasn't it?

I never said it was modern. And yes, I believe the war was around 1900-1905.

Mormon Red Death · 08-21-2006, 07:46 PM

How about he Basque in Northern spain.... or hell even the French Canadians in Montreal...

Cali Coug · 08-21-2006, 08:49 PM

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How about he Basque in Northern spain.... or hell even the French Canadians in Montreal...

Or Hussein's suppression of the Kurds and everyone else.

SeattleUte · 08-21-2006, 11:45 PM

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Or Hussein's suppression of the Kurds and everyone else.

By "guerrila warfare" I've meant an insurgency against a foreign occupying power, like the U.S. In Vietnam and Iraq, the Russians in Afghanistan, and the Nazis and Napoleon in Russia.

creekster · 08-22-2006, 12:29 AM

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By "guerrila warfare" I've meant an insurgency against a foreign occupying power, like the U.S. In Vietnam and Iraq, the Russians in Afghanistan, and the Nazis and Napoleon in Russia.

That is exactly how the basques and the kurds see their situations.

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08-20-2006, 02:06 AM	#5
Cali Coug Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,996	The Second Boer War would be a classic example. The British faced guerilla warfare from the Boers who were dressed in regular clothing sniping at British soldiers. The British became frustrated with guerilla warfare in the First Boer War and eventually gave up (though their peace treaty gave a victory on paper to the British). In the Second, the British crushed the Boer resistance.