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Venkman · 02-02-2008, 05:59 PM

Didn't attend church enough - ecclesiastical endorsement not renewed.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8149321

"They said he didn't participate in the ward enough, hadn't been to church enough and hadn't gone in and asked for a calling," Kenneth Walton said. "All the stake president would say was, 'I hope you don't hurt your son by making a big issue out of this.' "

Yikes.

Cali Coug · 02-02-2008, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Venkman

Didn't attend church enough - ecclesiastical endorsement not renewed.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8149321

"They said he didn't participate in the ward enough, hadn't been to church enough and hadn't gone in and asked for a calling," Kenneth Walton said. "All the stake president would say was, 'I hope you don't hurt your son by making a big issue out of this.' "

Yikes.

I just saw that. If that is all there is to the story (and it sounds like it could be from Drew's blog entry today), that is shocking and disappointing. I get the feeling that the bishop made a decision to withdraw his endorsement because of a lack of church attendance, and that withdrawal is effectively expelling Walton from the school. I think that bishop is taking things way too far. If I were Walton, I would go to a pastor of any other church and get them to write an endorsement, assuming I wanted anything to do with BYU after that.

SteelBlue · 02-02-2008, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

I just saw that. If that is all there is to the story (and it sounds like it could be from Drew's blog entry today), that is shocking and disappointing. I get the feeling that the bishop made a decision to withdraw his endorsement because of a lack of church attendance, and that withdrawal is effectively expelling Walton from the school. I think that bishop is taking things way too far. If I were Walton, I would go to a pastor of any other church and get them to write an endorsement, assuming I wanted anything to do with BYU after that.

It seems that's all there is to the story from that article. Wow, I guess I could have been kicked out my freshman year. One thing I learned at BYU was that there were a lot of different kinds of Bishops out there. Some are interested in helping and some apparently are not. I thought the comment "he never came in and asked for a calling" was kind of a sad one. Since when are we supposed to do that?

Venkman · 02-02-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelBlue

It seems that's all there is to the story from that article. Wow, I guess I could have been kicked out my freshman year. One thing I learned at BYU was that there were a lot of different kinds of Bishops out there. Some are interested in helping and some apparently are not. I thought the comment "he never came in and asked for a calling" was kind of a sad one. Since when are we supposed to do that?

There could be more to the story, but I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't. There are alot of dick Bishops at BYU. I'm lucky I never had one.

Archaea · 02-02-2008, 06:18 PM

If it is solely as reported, that is ridiculous. A bishop run amuck.

Didn't come in for a calling? Jeez the lad should be commended not kicked out of school. Where did they get these yokals? And no probationary option provided?

Who is running the ship there?

SteelBlue · 02-02-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

If it is solely as reported, that is ridiculous. A bishop run amuck.

Didn't come in for a calling? Jeez the lad should be commended not kicked out of school. Where did they get these yokals? And no probationary option provided?

Who is running the ship there?

Could an attorney be of any help in this situation?

livecoug · 02-02-2008, 06:28 PM

No way is that all there is to the story. Half of BYU would be kicked out if during any 11 weeks strech they only attended 60% of the time. I find it impossible to believe that that was the sole reason.

SteelBlue · 02-02-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by livecoug

No way is that all there is to the story. Half of BYU would be kicked out if during any 11 weeks strech they only attended 60% of the time. I find it impossible to believe that that was the sole reason.

The reason I find it very believable is because there are hundreds of wards. It's not at all hard to imagine a few over the top bishops. I had one the first year back from my mission who was very similar to the one in this story.

hyrum · 02-02-2008, 07:56 PM

I'm sure the U of U is making hundreds of reprints of this story to include in their recruiting packets with the message, come to the U where you can be with fellow LDS members but not subject to Taliban-like monitoring and subjective judgements of your worthiness to attend the school.

RockyBalboa · 02-02-2008, 09:02 PM

The Bishop and SP look pretty bad in this instance just on it's face as reported.

However, I don't think we have both sides of the story at all and I don't think the Father did his son any favors by agreeing to speak with the press and shooting his mouth off. The church doesn't publicly comment on ones worthiness and therefore isn't going to express their side of it and the Father knows that.....For all he knows his son could be lying his butt off to him regarding the real reasons....ala Ryan Kessman lying to his father.

In any event, it's pretty sad all around.

02-02-2008, 05:59 PM	#1
Venkman Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Jordan, UT Posts: 1,799	BYU ballplayer kicked out of school Didn't attend church enough - ecclesiastical endorsement not renewed. http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8149321 "They said he didn't participate in the ward enough, hadn't been to church enough and hadn't gone in and asked for a calling," Kenneth Walton said. "All the stake president would say was, 'I hope you don't hurt your son by making a big issue out of this.' " Yikes. __________________ WWPD? Last edited by Venkman; 02-02-2008 at 06:11 PM.

02-02-2008, 06:18 PM	#5
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	If it is solely as reported, that is ridiculous. A bishop run amuck. Didn't come in for a calling? Jeez the lad should be commended not kicked out of school. Where did they get these yokals? And no probationary option provided? Who is running the ship there? __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

02-02-2008, 09:02 PM	#10
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	The Bishop and SP look pretty bad in this instance just on it's face as reported. However, I don't think we have both sides of the story at all and I don't think the Father did his son any favors by agreeing to speak with the press and shooting his mouth off. The church doesn't publicly comment on ones worthiness and therefore isn't going to express their side of it and the Father knows that.....For all he knows his son could be lying his butt off to him regarding the real reasons....ala Ryan Kessman lying to his father. In any event, it's pretty sad all around. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

02-02-2008, 06:28 PM	#7
livecoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,176	No way is that all there is to the story. Half of BYU would be kicked out if during any 11 weeks strech they only attended 60% of the time. I find it impossible to believe that that was the sole reason.

02-02-2008, 07:56 PM	#9
hyrum Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 860	I'm sure the U of U is making hundreds of reprints of this story to include in their recruiting packets with the message, come to the U where you can be with fellow LDS members but not subject to Taliban-like monitoring and subjective judgements of your worthiness to attend the school.