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JohnnyLingo · 06-05-2006, 05:10 AM

I've been thinking about early LDS history somewhat lately. For some reason it's really struck me how much of the violence in Missouri and other places was just one-sided mob vs. women and children and a few men.

Now before someone comes along to set me straight about how the mob violence back then is exaggerated and misunderstood today, I just have one question:

Would you have joined the Danites had you lived back then?

Dan · 06-05-2006, 06:11 AM

The violence was not all one-sided. Initially it was, in Missouri in 1833-34 and before then elsewhere. But after a while in 1838 when the Mormon in Missouri broke out, Mormons fought back after being attacked. They figured they had turned the cheek thrice and were justified in taking the enemy in their own hands. Mormons commit some atrocities during that era as well, but it was considered a war and Mormons were copying what was being done to them.

Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde left the church because they could not agree with the Mormon reactions and counter-fighting in that manner with the Missourians. You don't think it was a skim of cream on top of the milk that Marsh's wife was holding back that was the cause of his leaving the church do you? That one is another silly Mormon myth that is perpetuated to hide the real cause why some giants in the kingdom left.

LeSeuer's book on the topic is the best "the 1838 Mormon War in Missouri."

Robin · 06-05-2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan

The violence was not all one-sided. Initially it was, in Missouri in 1833-34 and before then elsewhere. But after a while in 1838 when the Mormon in Missouri broke out, Mormons fought back after being attacked. They figured they had turned the cheek thrice and were justified in taking the enemy in their own hands. Mormons commit some atrocities during that era as well, but it was considered a war and Mormons were copying what was being done to them.

Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde left the church because they could not agree with the Mormon reactions and counter-fighting in that manner with the Missourians. You don't think it was a skim of cream on top of the milk that Marsh's wife was holding back that was the cause of his leaving the church do you? That one is another silly Mormon myth that is perpetuated to hide the real cause why some giants in the kingdom left.

LeSeuer's book on the topic is the best "the 1838 Mormon War in Missouri."

Thanks for the education. Here is the wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_B._Marsh

It is a shame that wikipedia is a better source for learning my own religious history than anything that was available in my time at BYU (at least in class-form. I'm sure if I had hit the stacks, and felt it was important, I would have found plenty).

SteelBlue · 06-05-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Would you have joined the Danites had you lived back then?

I joined back in '88. Rancho Cucamonga chapter.

JohnnyLingo · 06-05-2006, 07:12 PM

Well, there goes the theory that CougarGuard is the place to take your serious questions.

I get two posts that don't answer the question (as I expected) and one making fun of it.

Touchdown, everyone.

Robin · 06-05-2006, 08:35 PM

No, I would not have joined the Danites. The Danites, as far as I can tell, believed they should protect the church and its leaders and people NO MATTER WHAT.

For me, there is ALWAYS going to be a 'what.' At least I would hope so. The Danite way of thinking seems to be alive and well in the world in the Middle East.

fusnik11 · 06-05-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Well, there goes the theory that CougarGuard is the place to take your serious questions.

I get two posts that don't answer the question (as I expected) and one making fun of it.

Touchdown, everyone.

Did you not read Dan's response?

JohnnyLingo · 06-05-2006, 08:55 PM

Yes. I did. He didn't answer my question, just told me that my perceptions were wrong (as I anticipated someone would).

Why do you ask?

ewth8tr · 06-05-2006, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

Yes. I did. He didn't answer my question, just told me that my perceptions were wrong (as I anticipated someone would).

Why do you ask?

did you read his subject? The one that said "I would have joined in all likelihood"?

JohnnyLingo · 06-05-2006, 09:01 PM

Ha! I missed the subject. They're so small and hard to miss in this format.

I suppose I just cemented my reputation as an idiot.

Thanks for pointing that out ewth.

06-05-2006, 05:10 AM	#1
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Danite or not? I've been thinking about early LDS history somewhat lately. For some reason it's really struck me how much of the violence in Missouri and other places was just one-sided mob vs. women and children and a few men. Now before someone comes along to set me straight about how the mob violence back then is exaggerated and misunderstood today, I just have one question: Would you have joined the Danites had you lived back then?

06-05-2006, 06:11 AM	#2
Dan Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Elk Grove, California Posts: 211	I would have joined in all likelihood The violence was not all one-sided. Initially it was, in Missouri in 1833-34 and before then elsewhere. But after a while in 1838 when the Mormon in Missouri broke out, Mormons fought back after being attacked. They figured they had turned the cheek thrice and were justified in taking the enemy in their own hands. Mormons commit some atrocities during that era as well, but it was considered a war and Mormons were copying what was being done to them. Thomas B. Marsh and Orson Hyde left the church because they could not agree with the Mormon reactions and counter-fighting in that manner with the Missourians. You don't think it was a skim of cream on top of the milk that Marsh's wife was holding back that was the cause of his leaving the church do you? That one is another silly Mormon myth that is perpetuated to hide the real cause why some giants in the kingdom left. LeSeuer's book on the topic is the best "the 1838 Mormon War in Missouri." __________________ Dan Temet Nosce - \"Know Thyself\"

06-05-2006, 07:12 PM	#5
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Well, there goes the theory that CougarGuard is the place to take your serious questions. I get two posts that don't answer the question (as I expected) and one making fun of it. Touchdown, everyone.

06-05-2006, 08:35 PM	#6
Robin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 961	No, I would not have joined the Danites. The Danites, as far as I can tell, believed they should protect the church and its leaders and people NO MATTER WHAT. For me, there is ALWAYS going to be a 'what.' At least I would hope so. The Danite way of thinking seems to be alive and well in the world in the Middle East.

06-05-2006, 08:55 PM	#8
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Yes. I did. He didn't answer my question, just told me that my perceptions were wrong (as I anticipated someone would). Why do you ask?

06-05-2006, 09:01 PM	#10
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	Ha! I missed the subject. They're so small and hard to miss in this format. I suppose I just cemented my reputation as an idiot. Thanks for pointing that out ewth.