Prop 8 reaches Mississippi

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

you really think she's going to believe that?

If Marsupial stated, that Marsupial knows many LDS who agree with her, and that she understood her disappointment, it might help.

"I'm so upset the Church over this."

"I know, many of my friends and acquaintances who are also members feel similarly, but it's great we can disagree yet still support each other."

I could see something ameliorating her feelings.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Archaea

"I know, many of my friends and acquaintances who are also members feel similarly, but it's great we can disagree yet still support each other."

I could see something ameliorating her feelings.

Perhaps, but I'm not certain it's wise to try to emphasize that "we all disagree yet support each other" when it's clear who many who disagree have been vilified by the more zealous members. Seems like at this point, you wouldn't want to risk saying anything that's not entirely true.

But I certainly don't have any better suggestions.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Perhaps, but I'm not certain it's wise to try to emphasize that "we all disagree yet support each other" when it's clear who many who disagree have been vilified by the more zealous members. Seems like at this point, you wouldn't want to risk saying anything that's not entirely true.

But I certainly don't have any better suggestions.

The approach needs massaging, but at least the FP's message anticipates disagreement, even if the actions of many members doesn't appear to welcome it. We need the liberal minded members just as much as the neocons that fundamentalism will always foster.

[LA Ute]

There's plenty on the Church web site that gives info about the issue. If you think info would help. I suspect one of her problems is that she lacks perspective. New members almost always do -- it's hard to put things like Prop 8 in context when you don't have a context in your mind.

[BigFatMeanie]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

when it's clear who many who disagree have been vilified by the more zealous members

I think your sample set for drawing this conclusion is exceedingly small.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie

I think your sample set for drawing this conclusion is exceedingly small.

I don't know anything about it. I just think that in handling this situation, in which she clearly feels that she's been misled, it would be important to be accurate in describing the attitude of the church and the members toward dissenters. You don't want to tell her that the church and its members are openminded and accepting of all points of view if that's not the case. If it is the case, then that's great.

[marsupial]

I really don't think anything I say is going to keep her coming to church. Though I appreciate all your thoughts and advice.

She does feel like she was misled. She's been catching a lot of flack about joining the church from her friends and the whole prop 8 thing put her over the edge. She now feels embarrassed that she joined. I think the best thing to do is just continue to be her friend. At least she'll see that being Mormon does not necessarily mean being ultra-conservative, uptight or homophobic.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by marsupial

I really don't think anything I say is going to keep her coming to church. Though I appreciate all your thoughts and advice.

She does feel like she was misled. She's been catching a lot of flack about joining the church from her friends and the whole prop 8 thing put her over the edge. She now feels embarrassed that she joined. I think the best thing to do is just continue to be her friend. At least she'll see that being Mormon does not necessarily mean being ultra-conservative, uptight or homophobic.

So she stopped coming over that, without talking it out? Seems like she's a little impulsive. If you liked something and the first thing you dislike causes you to abandon it, that sounds strange to me.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by marsupial

I think the best thing to do is just continue to be her friend. At least she'll see that being Mormon does not necessarily mean being ultra-conservative, uptight or homophobic.

I think that is wise. This may be one of those cases where the best way to witness/minister is through actions instead of words. Good luck.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by Archaea

So she stopped coming over that, without talking it out? Seems like she's a little impulsive. If you liked something and the first thing you dislike causes you to abandon it, that sounds strange to me.

No, I think she's had other issues that she was willing to overlook, but with Prop 8 it was a deal breaker. This is an issue that is very important to her and I don't think she knew when she joined of the church's strong position on the issue.