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Indy Coug · 12-06-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

He is talking about the sunstone Joseph put on the Nauvoo temple.

OK, my curiosity has gotten the best of me: who is the woman posing for your avatar?

Archaea · 12-06-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

He is talking about the sunstone Joseph put on the Nauvoo temple.

Well Joseph liked to refer to ancient Egyptian symbols for some reason. I guess it's kinda an esoteric trip to refer to classic symbols known only to Egyptologists, as opposed to the mundane commonplace symbols of the Nicene Creedists. I'd rather be a snobby elitist, drinking fine champagne than drinking Coor's Lite Beer farting with the unemployed.

UtahDan · 12-06-2007, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

OK, my curiosity has gotten the best of me: who is the woman posing for your avatar?

I knew if I was patient someone else would ask!

Archaea · 12-06-2007, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UtahDan

I knew if I was patient someone else would ask!

It's his second wife to be. Ain't she a hottie? You should meet her in person, but Adam only introduces her to his friends.

jay santos · 12-06-2007, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

When have I or my family used a happy faced sun as a symbol of worship? We have not, nor will we ever. We usually avoid symbols except in literature. We wear no jewelry, no symbols outwardly as our lives are mostly austere and symbol free.

We use symbols. Angel Moroni on the temple is a symbol. CTR ring's a symbol. Obviously there are temple and garment symbols. We are a church that uses a lot of symbols. I don't buy this argument against the cross.

Archaea · 12-06-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

We use symbols. Angel Moroni on the temple is a symbol. CTR ring's a symbol. Obviously there are temple and garment symbols. We are a church that uses a lot of symbols. I don't buy this argument against the cross.

What outward symbol do you wear?

Garments are hidden.

The temple has one of course.

jay santos · 12-06-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

What outward symbol do you wear?

Garments are hidden.

The temple has one of course.

Wedding ring for one.

So we say, we put symbols on our temples (angel Moroni, sunstone, etc), we put symbols on our churches (steeples), we use symbols as a sacrament, we use symbols in the temple as signs and tokens, we put symbols on the garments we wear everyday, we use symbols in our popular culture with CTR rings and such, we discuss the importance of symbols frequently over the pulpit, but yet we condemn the cross just because it's a symbol and outward symbols are an incorrect tradition? Sorry, not buying it.

Archaea · 12-06-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Wedding ring for one.

So we say, we put symbols on our temples (angel Moroni, sunstone, etc), we put symbols on our churches (steeples), we use symbols as a sacrament, we use symbols in the temple as signs and tokens, we put symbols on the garments we wear everyday, we use symbols in our popular culture with CTR rings and such, we discuss the importance of symbols frequently over the pulpit, but yet we condemn the cross just because it's a symbol and outward symbols are an incorrect tradition? Sorry, not buying it.

Don't buy it.

I believe we reject it, because we wish to be different and because to some extent, many make a mockery of the cross by making it garish and gaudy.

So to distance ourselves from a misused external symbol.

Our worship is full of intangible symbols, but we do not have many "objects" of symbols. We have "process" symbols but not commonplace "objects".

It is good not to be too ecumenical. I don't wish to be like the rest in this regard.

jay santos · 12-06-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Don't buy it.

I believe we reject it, because we wish to be different and because to some extent, many make a mockery of the cross by making it garish and gaudy.

So to distance ourselves from a misused external symbol.

Our worship is full of intangible symbols, but we do not have many "objects" of symbols. We have "process" symbols but not commonplace "objects".

It is good not to be too ecumenical. I don't wish to be like the rest in this regard.

This I buy. We want to be different. But no logic as to why we want to be different in this regard makes sense to me.

marsupial · 12-06-2007, 05:53 PM

Let me clarify that I am not so much offended by the symbol of the cross, mostly perturbed that one was given out to every kindergarten at my son's public school. If some kid on the playground said to my son, "be my friend, here's a cross necklace," I wouldn't care. But I would be just as bothered if the teachers were handing out WWJD bracelets or mini Qu'rans or The Watchtower or For the Strength for Youth pamphlets. They are all inappropriate gifts in a public school setting.

12-06-2007, 05:53 PM	#40
marsupial Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I... Isn't it so fun to spell? Posts: 1,701	Let me clarify that I am not so much offended by the symbol of the cross, mostly perturbed that one was given out to every kindergarten at my son's public school. If some kid on the playground said to my son, "be my friend, here's a cross necklace," I wouldn't care. But I would be just as bothered if the teachers were handing out WWJD bracelets or mini Qu'rans or The Watchtower or For the Strength for Youth pamphlets. They are all inappropriate gifts in a public school setting.