Talk about grandstanding and overreaction

[exUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

That is certainly what it looks like.

I watched the little interview with one of the locals and his thoughts about it and he mentioned that when the FLDS group first moved in, there was a lot of suspicion because they're so secretive, but things had settled down and there was finally some balance in the community. Then this happened. I understood it to mean that he felt the authorities should leave well enough alone.

sounds vaguely similar to something that happened about 150 years ago.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It really makes me shake my head when I see LDS rejoice at the persecution of the FLDS.

It's fine to be against underage marriage or forced marriage. But some of the hatred goes well beyond that.

who want to distance themselves from the FLDS as far as possible. It was the same persecution the LDS church witnesed 150 years ago. I don't agree with forcing teenagers to marry, though.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Yes, I am serious. There is more than allegation. There is a girl who had a baby AT AGE 15. There is some other evidence, apparently, but the judge sealed the records for the warrant, so that is not being reported. How are they supposed to get evidence? All the FLDS have to do is co-operate.

We don't know why so many people were removed but there was some indication that many left on their own accord, mothers going with children, etc. I'll bet the vast majority are returned once the authorities locate the girl and get to the truth about what is happening to children inside there.

THat we lack the complete record is a fair point. The warrant, of course, merely contains probable casue to intiate a search, but does not constitute proof of anything.

Think about what you are saying. These guys go to a compound looking for one young woman and her child. Not findign her they then choose to extract more than 100 persons, mostly children, from a community. That some women left as well suppports the conclusion that they left in order to stay with the children who were being forcibly removed as easily as it supports your conlcusion that they were escaping.

WHile it is possibnle that the children were all removed due to abuse discovered in the seach, it is unlikely, as you concede by noting that the removal could have been avoided by the FLDS if they would only cooperate. You even go farther, suggesting that it is OK to remove children frmo tehir families as leverage to force people to cooperate with the law authorities. I find that shocking and I hope that if I ever decided to avoid cooperation with police that I wouldn't be forced to choose between such cooperation and ahveing my children taken away indefintiely under a cloud of suspicion of abuse.

Neither of us know all the facts. Based on what we do know, however, I am very suspicious of the tactics and motives fo the law enforcement agencies here. I have no love for polygamists, but the rights of those persons and groups we disdain are just as important as the rights we hold ourselves.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Solon

This has nothing to do with mormon / non-mormon.

True. This is a majority/minority thing.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by exUte

who want to distance themselves from the FLDS as far as possible. It was the same persecution the LDS church witnesed 150 years ago. I don't agree with forcing teenagers to marry, though.

Don't confuse prosecution with persecution. Joseph Smith was raping teens at the rate of one per week during May, 1843, including a child who was in his home as essentially foster child.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/24...iaLawrence.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/26...MarKimball.htm

[creekster]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Don't confuse prosecution with persecution. Joseph Smith was raping teens at the rate of one per week during May, 1843, including a child who was in his home as essentially foster child.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/24...iaLawrence.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/26...MarKimball.htm

And so you return to the one note you know how to sing. Here is an idea: try not to infuse this discussion with your own very evident disgust for mormons and Joseph Smith.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Don't confuse prosecution with persecution. Joseph Smith was raping teens at the rate of one per week during May, 1843, including a child who was in his home as essentially foster child.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/24...iaLawrence.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/26...MarKimball.htm

And no matter how you wish to address the polygamy issue, this is a malignant lie. Compton's book, In Sacred Loneliness, fails to document any "rape." It doesn't even document any forced marriage. Convenient for an anti, such one note Hyrum, to prevaricate. But, far be it from me to stop your parade and show. Carry on, dude, carry on.

And mind you, I am no fan of polygamy, but lies are not a way to enlighten the darks or mistaken ways.

[ewth8tr]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Don't confuse prosecution with persecution. Joseph Smith was raping teens at the rate of one per week during May, 1843, including a child who was in his home as essentially foster child.

http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/23-LucyWalker.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/24...iaLawrence.htm
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/26...MarKimball.htm

nice of you to bring it back here after I kicked your ass back off of cougarboard.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by ewth8tr

nice of you to bring it back here after I kicked your ass back off of cougarboard.

Go ahead, continue shooting the messenger while ignoring the facts.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by Adam

Ezra Taft Benson. They guy was a great prophet but a complete wacko politically. The damage he has done is vast and deep. It will take a generation or two to undo.

Wow, obeying the law of the land sure is wacko. I hope we can overcome that before the Second Coming.