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MikeWaters · 01-31-2007, 03:49 PM

Can a argument be made that the Mormon movement is older than the Evangelical movement? I think it can.

All-American · 01-31-2007, 03:51 PM

Well, yes, if you go back to Adam.

BarbaraGordon · 01-31-2007, 03:52 PM

Well the problem with making any argument about evangelicals is that the term evangelical is so ill-defined. No?

MikeWaters · 01-31-2007, 03:55 PM

Started in the 1920's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-evangelicalism

BarbaraGordon · 01-31-2007, 04:04 PM

Okay. We're talking about the neo-evangelical movement as defined by wikipedia. That's a good start.

In common usage evangelical can refer to any number of groups, going all the way back to the 16th and 17th centuries. So, I wasn't sure what you meant.

Carry on.

MikeWaters · 01-31-2007, 04:09 PM

I'm not sure how to define it. Obviously it is different to different people.

But I guess I am referring to the hard-ass fundamentalist type Christians, not aligned with traditional Protestantism, but more in line with Pentecostals. Is this not correct?

BarbaraGordon · 01-31-2007, 04:17 PM

Right, that's the whole problem with the term. It's used to denote and connote several different ideas.

But I think it's clear what you mean now: The 20th-century evangelical movement that began as a great awakening of sorts and turned into our modern right-wing religious and political fundamentalism.

As far as the question posed by the thread, I of course have no idea.

Sleeping in EQ · 01-31-2007, 04:42 PM

Just a little sketch of common usage. I'm not going to wade into the theological and practical stuff in this short post:

The term "evangelical" is kind of a slush term today, as it is highly connotative and is being used by different Christians in different ways.

Generally, it's used by moderate and moderately conservative Christians who don't want to be mistaken for "mainline Protestants" as that phrase now suggests more liberal leanings. Evangelical Lutherans, Free Methodists, some Baptists, your typical "bible churches" and other groups that don't think of themselves either as liberals or as fundamentalists use evangelical this way.

Fundamentalists sometimes call themselves evangelicals because they don't like the negative connotation of "fundamentalist." More moderate Christians are frustrated by this usage as they don't care for the association, exactly.

Also, the term is trans-denominational and trans-non-denominational (!) as it's trying to emphasize an approach to Christianity over the distinctiveness of a particular Church or sect. For example, an Evangelical might say that she's an "Evangelical who attends Rock Canyon Assembly of God church."

Of course, there are different varieties of evangelical as well, with orientation to the charismatic movement being a major point of distinction.

SeattleUte · 01-31-2007, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Started in the 1920's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-evangelicalism

yes but then you have to explain why the movement has grown many times faster than Mormonism

il Padrino Ute · 01-31-2007, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

yes but then you have to explain why the movement has grown many times faster than Mormonism

No problem: today's neo-evangalicals (thanks for coining that here, Barbara) offers a much easier path to salvation than Mormonism does.

01-31-2007, 03:49 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Evangelicals, johnny-come-lately Can a argument be made that the Mormon movement is older than the Evangelical movement? I think it can.

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All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	Well, yes, if you go back to Adam. __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

01-31-2007, 04:42 PM	#8
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	Just a little sketch of common usage. I'm not going to wade into the theological and practical stuff in this short post: The term "evangelical" is kind of a slush term today, as it is highly connotative and is being used by different Christians in different ways. Generally, it's used by moderate and moderately conservative Christians who don't want to be mistaken for "mainline Protestants" as that phrase now suggests more liberal leanings. Evangelical Lutherans, Free Methodists, some Baptists, your typical "bible churches" and other groups that don't think of themselves either as liberals or as fundamentalists use evangelical this way. Fundamentalists sometimes call themselves evangelicals because they don't like the negative connotation of "fundamentalist." More moderate Christians are frustrated by this usage as they don't care for the association, exactly. Also, the term is trans-denominational and trans-non-denominational (!) as it's trying to emphasize an approach to Christianity over the distinctiveness of a particular Church or sect. For example, an Evangelical might say that she's an "Evangelical who attends Rock Canyon Assembly of God church." Of course, there are different varieties of evangelical as well, with orientation to the charismatic movement being a major point of distinction. __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies. Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 01-31-2007 at 04:45 PM.

01-31-2007, 03:52 PM	#3
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	Well the problem with making any argument about evangelicals is that the term evangelical is so ill-defined. No?

01-31-2007, 03:55 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Started in the 1920's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-evangelicalism

01-31-2007, 04:04 PM	#5
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	Okay. We're talking about the neo-evangelical movement as defined by wikipedia. That's a good start. In common usage evangelical can refer to any number of groups, going all the way back to the 16th and 17th centuries. So, I wasn't sure what you meant. Carry on.

01-31-2007, 04:09 PM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'm not sure how to define it. Obviously it is different to different people. But I guess I am referring to the hard-ass fundamentalist type Christians, not aligned with traditional Protestantism, but more in line with Pentecostals. Is this not correct?

01-31-2007, 04:17 PM	#7
BarbaraGordon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 7,157	Right, that's the whole problem with the term. It's used to denote and connote several different ideas. But I think it's clear what you mean now: The 20th-century evangelical movement that began as a great awakening of sorts and turned into our modern right-wing religious and political fundamentalism. As far as the question posed by the thread, I of course have no idea.