Top Ten Most Offensive Statements By LDS Church Leaders

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by Tex

He even compared them to dogs, no?

Oh, this drives the rent-a-intellectuals crazy.

Not me. The OT is just a good book, and an important relic. I don't look to any tribal ethos in deciding right from wrong. Cite the OT as justification for racism and any truly enlightened person will just write you off. I'm trying to help you here, Tex.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by scottie

This type of open-mindedness within the LDS Church is so refreshing to me, and I wish there were more like you. (Of course I'm assuming you're LDS, are you?).

He's an ALUF.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Brian

That's the gist of the argument. God kept a bunch of people in ghetto, so to speak. Sounds like an asshole.

He's not.

Just because we fail to understand why God operates in what appears to be a prejudiced or inequitable fashion doesn't mean he fits that description. That's very small-minded.

[woot]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Just because we fail to understand why God operates in what appears to be a prejudiced or inequitable fashion doesn't mean he fits that description. That's very small-minded.

Just because you have an idea of God's qualities that doesn't fit the evidence doesn't mean that the evidence is wrong. That's very small-minded.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by woot

Just because you have an idea of God's qualities that doesn't fit the evidence doesn't mean that the evidence is wrong. That's very small-minded.

What in the hell is that supposed to mean? Because I don't call God an "asshole", I'm small-minded? Yeah, that makes sense.

Solon wanted an alternative theory, so I tried one. I don't know what the truth is, I don't purport that my alternative theory is the correct one. However, I'm open-minded enough to know that I don't know the mind of God and that there are any number of possible reasons why certain groups of people don't appear to get equal treatment in this life and it isn't due to the crass attribution certain people keep using.

EDIT: To Solon's credit, he didn't bait me by asking for an alternative theory and then pounce on me like everyone else has.

EDIT2: By my way of thinking, Brian, giving the Chinese Confucius isn't nearly as good as giving the Americans Joseph Smith, or keeping Christ locked up in the narrow confines of Israel. God obviously had his reasons, but I'm at a loss to know why.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by woot

Just because you have an idea of God's qualities that doesn't fit the evidence doesn't mean that the evidence is wrong. That's very small-minded.

you're making a priori assumptions against the supernatural. those soft-headed anthropologists, committing every methodological error conceivable.

[woot]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

you're making a priori assumptions against the supernatural. those soft-headed anthropologists, committing every methodological error conceivable.

That's great fun. I was mostly just juxtaposing the opposite interpretation to demonstrate that his position wasn't the only available one. Still, it's just good science to assume the non-existence of something that by definition can never be observed. If the supernatural realm (whatever that means) could be observed or otherwise tested, it would become part of nature. Those soft-headed Mormons, committing every methodological error conceivable.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Just because we fail to understand why God operates in what appears to be a prejudiced or inequitable fashion doesn't mean he fits that description. That's very small-minded.

Life doesn't appear fair, but I think when everything is said and done, it will be fair. I believe that everyone gets the *perfect* experience they needed to have here on earth.

I think the only way to conclude that God kept some folks in the ghetto because they ticked Him off at one point is He's an asshole. I don't buy that. People are assholes, not God.

I don't think the issue is fairness, the issue is God keeping people in the ghetto for some reason, while the blessed few get to live in the nice part of town. I reject that kind of God.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Brian

Life doesn't appear fair, but I think when everything is said and done, it will be fair. I believe that everyone gets the *perfect* experience they needed to have here on earth.

Agreed.

I think the only way to conclude that God kept some folks in the ghetto because they ticked Him off at one point is He's an asshole.

I fail to see how that's the only conclusion you can draw. I don't think people are in the "ghetto" necessarily due to them or their parents or their 35th great grandparents pissing God off. What other reasons could there be? Probably many reasons, but just because I can't think of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

I don't think the issue is fairness, the issue is God keeping people in the ghetto for some reason, while the blessed few get to live in the nice part of town. I reject that kind of God.

You just said "I believe that everyone gets the *perfect* experience they needed to have here on earth." Hence, your quote above appears to be self-contradictory.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by woot

Still, it's just good science to assume the non-existence of something that by definition can never be observed.

that would work if all you were doing is science. when we're talking about God that's irrelevant.