ACLU on Texas FLDS raid

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Rocky, you lack an appreciation of the constitution.

What about groups that advocate for legal use of marijuana? Or any other number of activities that I find distasteful?

You could never stand for a principle, if it aided someone or a group you despised.

Do I like or support flag burning? No. But I think it should be legal.

At the end of the day, I believe in the 1st amendment, and you don't. And guess what? I think you have the right to talk about rescinding the 1st amendment!!! Ironic, huh?

It's not about standing for something. That's where you and I disagree. You act as if you're making this "lone wolf" stand, simply because it's not popular. That's pure hogwash.

I don't agree that pedophilia is protected under the constitution.

I don't believe the constitution protects the right to fuck young boys and abuse them. I don't believe they have a right to express that they have the right to do that either.

If that's your understanding of the constitution then that would explain your lack of an ethical core.

I do not believe flag burning and pedophilia are the same thing either. There's a fundamental difference in the people railing against governmental abuse, as opposed to the rape of a small boy.

I do not equate freedom of speech and assembly with the right to abuse the innocents.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

It's not about standing for something. That's where you and I disagree. You act as if you're making this "lone wolf" stand, simply because it's not popular. That's pure hogwash.

I don't agree that pedophilia is protected under the constitution.

I don't believe the constitution protects the right to fuck young boys and abuse them. I don't believe they have a right to express that they have the right to do that either.

If that's your understanding of the constitution then that would explain your lack of an ethical core.

I do not believe flag burning and pedophilia are the same thing either. There's a fundamental difference in the people railing against governmental abuse, as opposed to the rape of a small boy.

I do not equate freedom of speech and assembly with the right to abuse the innocents.

Interesting. You would imprison someone for mere pedophilia?

After all, we are talking about the desire, not the action when we use that word.

You would send to prison someone that has the urge or attraction, but has never acted on it.

Pre-crime. You really do have a crystal ball.

With all the threatening things you have said on this board, perhaps you would advocate that YOU should be imprisoned, based on your advocacy and desires, urges, and attractions.

But your are a hypocrite, so you would never agree to that.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Interesting. You would imprison someone for mere pedophilia?

After all, we are talking about the desire, not the action when we use that word.

You would send to prison someone that has the urge or attraction, but has never acted on it.

Pre-crime. You really do have a crystal ball.

With all the threatening things you have said on this board, perhaps you would advocate that YOU should be imprisoned, based on your advocacy and desires, urges, and attractions.

But your are a hypocrite, so you would never agree to that.

I haven't threatened a single person Mike. Not one.

I have challenged that those like Indy, Adam and yourself would never say the things in person that you do on here. You enjoy getting rises out of people behind the facade of an internet persona. My contention is you wouldn't do the same in person and I think you know it.

If you can find a link where I ever challenged anyone to a fight by all means, go get it and prove me wrong.

And yes I would imprison someone if they committed the rape of a child.

And yes I don't think a group that thinks its okay to rape a child has the right to say that they have the right to rape children.

Even though you do.

You're not for torture, but since we're talking about hypocrisy and pointing out, I see that you're alright defending torture and rape at the same time....or I'm sorry...I mean defending that these guys have the right to say it's okay to do these things. Make no mistake,,,,rape, abuse and pedophilia on a child is an act or torture in many forms. Yeah,,,clearly I'm a fascist.

You stand on sand here and are quickly sinking. Get it together.

[MikeWaters]

I think people that molest, rape, abuse children should be punished severely. And no, I don't believe a child can ever consent to sexual activity with an adult.

Conspiracy to commit crime -- this should be punished.

But when you say it is illegal to discuss laws and advocate that laws should be changed....you have really hit on something that, if illegal, makes you an almost totalitarian state.

Which laws could be discussed and debated? Which couldn't? NAMBLA is certainly one of the most extreme cases, and the most offensive I can think of. These people should be shamed, shout down, and reviled. Perhaps within legal limits they should be observed. But if you ban discussion of the law, what is next? Which law will you not be able to advocate to change?

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think people that molest, rape, abuse children should be punished severely. And no, I don't believe a child can ever consent to sexual activity with an adult.

Conspiracy to commit crime -- this should be punished.

But when you say it is illegal to discuss laws and advocate that laws should be changed....you have really hit on something that, if illegal, makes you an almost totalitarian state.

Which laws could be discussed and debated? Which couldn't? NAMBLA is certainly one of the most extreme cases, and the most offensive I can think of. These people should be shamed, shout down, and reviled. Perhaps within legal limits they should be observed. But if you ban discussion of the law, what is next? Which law will you not be able to advocate to change?

Now you're twisting the argument to fit your defense.

I don't equate defending NAMBLA's right to exist as banning discussion of law or hurting the Constitution.

You do and that's fine.

I've said my piece here and am through with you on this issue.

It's painted you in a light and shows who you stand with and reveals tons about who you really are and that saddens me you believe in and not only support the most base and pure form of evil, torture and abuse. Ironic.

And the irony is..you actually think you're standing for something moral here and don't realize that you've been duped.

Spare the rod, but rape the child and the right to defend their right to rape. That's the stand you've taken here today.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Now you're twisting the argument to fit your defense.

I don't equate defending NAMBLA's right to exist as banning discussion of law or hurting the Constitution.

You do and that's fine.

I've said my piece here and am through with you on this issue.

It's painted you in a light and shows who you stand with and reveals tons about who you really are and that saddens me you believe in and not only support the most base and pure form of evil, torture and abuse. Ironic.

And the irony is..you actually think you're standing for something moral here and don't realize that you've been duped.

Spare the rod, but rape the child and the right to defend their right to rape. That's the stand you've taken here today.

Good time to quit is when you have no answer.

Freedom versus Security. I choose Freedom. You choose Security.

And this is why you are a fascist. You believe that security trumps freedom.

Do I believe I occupy the moral highground by supporting the First Amendment? Yes I do. You don't support the First amendment. And you have really spoken to who you are: a fascist.

Actually, I do exaggerate a bit. In Britain, you can be prosecuted for being inflammatory in speech. And other European countries as well. Like if you criticize Muslims publicly and that kind of thing.

The ironic thing is that your modus operandi REQUIRES freedom, yet you mock freedom. It's pretty ironic.

[RockyBalboa]

That's fine Mike.

It's something we're both clearly passionate about and there's nothing wrong with that.

I like you, even though I think you're full of shit 90% of the time.