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07-28-2008, 02:54 PM | #1 |
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Not a bad strategy. Another little secret that people don't know about church budgets: If your ward as a whole goes over, the Stake just covers it. Now, you first have to get your Bishop to do it and be willing to take some heat from the Stake Pres. but if the Bishop is willing to take the heat the ward can just go over and the Stake will be forced to cover it.
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07-28-2008, 03:22 PM | #2 | |
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07-28-2008, 03:26 PM | #3 |
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I really really don't enjoy playing budget hardball. It sucks.
Like when I outlined the plan for signing up for summer camp if we did not receive money for the deposit--I painted a plan that would take months potentially. I don't know why you all had to bring up this thread. I was just potentially coming to peace with staying in this ward, then you have to dredge up old demons, and now I am longing for the suburbs again. |
07-29-2008, 03:19 AM | #4 |
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Just do the flag thing in your ward. For twenty five bucks all the scouts put up flags in all the paying members yards. Doesn't take that long a scout camp is paid for.
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07-29-2008, 03:23 AM | #5 |
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bad idea. because that means I have to be present on all holidays. my car, my gas, my time with the 2 scouts who do it.
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07-29-2008, 03:36 AM | #6 | |
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07-29-2008, 03:40 AM | #7 |
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What does "we did nothing from August on" mean?
I assume you all still met once a week, but just didn't spend any money on it. Btw, my car got jacked on the last campout. Bottomed out and making bad noises now. There is another expense related to my calling. So it goes. |
08-03-2008, 07:46 AM | #8 |
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I find this thread ironic because in my ward it's the opposite. My ward is in a pretty poor (some people less diplomatic than I would say "backward") area. I make OK money, but by ward standards, I do pretty good. I'm the YM 1st Counselor and the YM President has pretty much been out to lunch for the past 18 months.
I don't mind spending money on my calling. I figure I get blessings when I do. But my Bishop doesn't like me to spend my own money. I don't have the foggiest idea why. He told the YM President last year to talk to me about not paying for YM's stuff. I thought I was misunderstanding him so I talked to the Bishop and asked for clarification and, nope, for some reason, my bishop doesn't want me to. Now, we're not talking vast sums of money, more like $100 a month, which really doesn't go that far. This year, I got tired of the YM Prez and Bishop always ragging on me when I submitted my receipts, that I decided to save them over several months and submit them all at once which I just did last week. For clarification, I submit the receipts for tax purposes so I can deduct charitable expenses, not for re-imbursement. Anyways, a day or two after I submitted them, the Bishop emailed me that he needed about 10 minutes to talk to me after priesthood. Hopefully it's about something else, but I suspect it's not. Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town at a baby blessing, so I'll have to wait to find out what he wants. He also doesn't want us to do fundraisers, even though we have a good one that has been succesful in the past. Maybe my Bishop thinks he's a monk and he took a vow of poverty, I don't know. I'd have an easier time dealing with Mike's Bishop as that's a more normal experience that I can relate to. I do feel strongly that it's not the responsibility of anyone serving in the YM's program to finance it any more than any other ward member. If you want to, great. But for whatever reason, if you can't or prefer not to, I don't think you should be coerced. |
08-03-2008, 07:58 PM | #9 |
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just because you spend money for the YM doesn't mean the church accepts it as a "donation." In fact you are getting a supposed tax benefit that probably 99% of YM leaders in this country are not claiming.
What happens when you are released and suddenly instead of the YM budget + 1200 you are adding, there is only the YM budget? Will those leaders be looked on as selfish? Will YM become disenchanted? |
08-04-2008, 12:38 AM | #10 | |
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What happens when I'm not in YMs anymore and there's less of a YM budget? They'll have to scale back or do a fund raiser. Who's to say I wouldn't contribute to the YMs budget or other ward budget. If I believe the Church is a good cause and if I've taken vows to devote my time and resources to building up the church, then why wouldn't I? I kind of getting the feeling I've put you on the defensive (or maybe you just like to be contrary). That wasn't my intention. I don't believe it should be the responsibility of YM leadership to fund YMs or Scouting. It's the ward's responsibility. I wouldn't look on anyone as being selfish because I don't know what their circumstances are or what they do donate. The only people who know what my wife and I donate are those responsible handling the donations. I don't advertise it. Then I'd lose my blessings. My overall personal belief is that if God has been generous with you, you should be generous with others. This includes time, talents and/or resources. As for young men becoming disenchanted in the future when/if there's less of a budget? Following that line of thinking, let's end the missionary program. Some of the converts they baptize will someday become disenchanted. |
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