Here's a theological position that seems tenable to me

[Archaea]

regarding gays and singles.

Make the treatment similar.

If a gay messes up, treat them like you do straight adults, disfellowshipping, but trying to work with them, knowing ex'ed never return. Now if they become militant, you show them the door, like you do anybody else.

We do that now with singles and marrieds who slip up. It will happen. And like my wife says, the disfellowshipped gig is not so bad. You can't pray or serve but your bishop pays special attention to your needs. You can still attend functions and enjoy the Spirit.

Again I do not know what bishops do regarding gays. Not being a bishop I won't know.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by Archaea

regarding gays and singles.

Make the treatment similar.

If a gay messes, treat them like you do straight adults, disfellowshipping, but trying to work with them, knowing ex'ed never return. Now if they become militant, you show them the door, like you do anybody else.

We do that now with singles and marrieds who slip up. It will happen. And like my wife says, the disfellowshipped gig is not so bad. You can't pray or serve but your bishop pays special attention to your needs. You can still attend functions and enjoy the Spirit.

I agree. I think that's pretty much what we see today from the church. Do others disagree?

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by Archaea

regarding gays and singles.

We do that now with singles and marrieds who slip up. It will happen. And like my wife says, the disfellowshipped gig is not so bad. You can't pray or serve but your bishop pays special attention to your needs. You can still attend functions and enjoy the Spirit.

Can't pray? Do they take away your calling card to God?

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Can't pray? Do they take away your calling card to God?

No, I am pretty sure you can still pray, just not in Church meetings.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Can't pray? Do they take away your calling card to God?

No, you just can't thank God for the much needed moisture in Sacrament Meeting.

[Archaea]

in public for congregations. You know to what I refer.

In other words, you receive many of the blessings but none of the burdens of membership.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

No, you just can't thank God for the much needed moisture in Sacrament Meeting.

I have always wondered at that expression and how often we here it. I think it must be a vestige of the earlier Utah saints being an agricultural society that lived and died by rainfall and weather conditions. People just liked the sound of it and it lingers. I wonder how many other expressions that we commonly hear have a source that is not immediately apparent. I'm trying to think of others.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

I have always wondered at that expression and how often we here it. I think it must be a vestige of the earlier Utah saints being an agricultural society that lived and died by rainfall and weather conditions. People just liked the sound of it and it lingers. I wonder how many other expressions that we commonly hear have a source that is not immediately apparent. I'm trying to think of others.

I've started praying in public meetings for the Chinese yuan to safely and wisely be managed to float independently from the dollar in a way that will cause the least disruption possible to the world economy. That will have a much larger economic input on us than a little variance in rain.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Can't pray? Do they take away your calling card to God?

He obviously means in a church meeting like....in sacrament meeting, sunday school, etc.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I've started praying in public meetings for the Chinese yuan to safely and wisely be managed to float independently from the dollar in a way that will cause the least disruption possible to the world economy. That will have a much larger economic input on us than a little variance in rain.

You don't get the things you don't ask for, do you?