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Old 04-29-2009, 02:28 PM   #11
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The GOP party is one without a single new idea.

No solutions.
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Old 04-29-2009, 02:38 PM   #12
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The GOP party is one without a single new idea.

No solutions.
And the Dems have any new ideas? I agree the GOP needs to reinvent itself, but the fact that the public buys the tired old ideas of the Dems shows what a bunch of morons the electorate is. Dems today just repackaged older Democratic ideas.

Reps won't reinvent themselves but will simply repackage old ideas. Both parties are bankrupt but the Dems are just better at kissing the asses of the stupid electorate.
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actually Obama has a lot of ideas. It's just that most conservatives don't agree with them.

GOP is short of ideas, esp. new ones.
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I guess you missed the part in 2004 where the entire party swooped in to save Spector from Pat Toomey, including President Bush himself, and very conservative former senator Rick Santorum. Or the part where they nominated a centrist as their candidate for president in 2008?
What percentage of the Republican candidates were religious right types? You had McCain, Giuliani and Romney who weren't. Then you had Ron Paul. After that, every other guy was religious right (about a dozen of them), and Romney was trying to look like one as well. The only reason McCain got nominated is because the RR couldn't agree on anyone, and McCain was everyone's second choice. He was the nominee by default.
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"Mitt the Evangelical Mormon" was a disaster.
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Old 04-29-2009, 03:19 PM   #16
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actually Obama has a lot of ideas. It's just that most conservatives don't agree with them.

GOP is short of ideas, esp. new ones.
His ideas are not new and not ideas.

Spend. Spend. Spend. and when you're done spend some more.

After that tax the hell out of them.

Where's the idea Mike?

Spend to create a stimulus by using pork to get there.

Spend to create national health insurance.

I see no ideas just throwing money at everything.
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He has a lot of ideas:

1. dramatically increase research spending

2. reform healthcare

3. reform financial regulations

4. green technology investment

etc.

They are actually ideas that propose solutions for vexing problems.

Where are the GOP ideas? No research, ignore green initiatives, healthcare is fine, let the markets do their own thing.

Wonderful.
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He has a lot of ideas:

1. dramatically increase research spending

2. reform healthcare

3. reform financial regulations

4. green technology investment

etc.

They are actually ideas that propose solutions for vexing problems.

Where are the GOP ideas? No research, ignore green initiatives, healthcare is fine, let the markets do their own thing.

Wonderful.

Research equals spend.

Reform Health care equals spend.

Financial regulations reform? Duh. Talk about a no brainer.

Investment equals spend.

Spend on pet projects and do the obvious. You're giving him too much credit. No ideas just doing the obvious. Spend on pet projects and omg, the financial markets are in turmoil due to a lack of transparency. We might have to reform the regulations. Simply brilliant. You call these ideas?
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Research equals spend.

Reform Health care equals spend.

Financial regulations reform? Duh. Talk about a no brainer.

Investment equals spend.

Spend on pet projects and do the obvious. You're giving him too much credit. No ideas just doing the obvious. Spend on pet projects and omg, the financial markets are in turmoil due to a lack of transparency. We might have to reform the regulations. Simply brilliant. You call these ideas?
Oh yeah, I forgot the GOP ideas--huge tax breaks for oil companies.

That's spending too.

If your message, in these times, is "government doesn't work and is worthless", that's a losing message.
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Oh yeah, I forgot the GOP ideas--huge tax breaks for oil companies.

That's spending too.

If your message, in these times, is "government doesn't work and is worthless", that's a losing message.
I understand that message won't sell, but it doesn't make it less true.

So we have to come up with ideas that eventually don't work better than the Dems. That's fucked.
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