People are losing temple recs over gay marriage.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Difficult question to assess.

My real question is why would an active member, who is therefore heterosexual take too many efforts on behalf of a group that really doesn't impact him too much?

From a practical perspective, I deal with those matters that affect me most, earning a living, raising my kids, being supportive of spouse, exercising and Church work. That consumes my time.

When I was politically active, that was for business purposes and networking purposes. It wasn't to promote some great agenda.

Why do people divert themselves from the act of living to matters so ethereal and which can take themselves away from important matters?

I think we are talking about members who have their own personal views, but don't go about campaigning, politicing, donating, etc.

I don't have a problem with civil unions,but I am not campaigning or agitating for them.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Working for a hotel chaing that provides activities which the Church opposes is not the same as working against fundamental doctrines.

Yet Church opposition to gaming is not a fundamental belief. And the members in gaming, usually or almost unanimously do not gamble. That belief is pragmatic. So is the anti-alcohol stance. That belief is not fundamental.

So, it's okay to pimp as long as you're not the one turning tricks?

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

So do you believe that somebody who works in, works for, or owns a business that has a component that is against LDS dogma should be denied a recommend?

Hotel owners, lawyers, some physicians, restaurant owners, grocery store owners, workers of these people, would all have their passage revoked.

Where do you draw the line? What is more damning, to belong to a pro-gay marriage group, or to represent as a lawyer a murderer? What is more damning, to belong to picket in support of gay marriage, or to sell beer at your restaurant?

What is wrong with representing someone accused of murder? Is a person recieving a fair trial somehow out of harmony with the gospel? What do you mean by this?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

What is more damning, to belong to a pro-gay marriage group, or to represent as a lawyer a murderer? What is more damning, to belong to picket in support of gay marriage, or to sell beer at your restaurant?

A lawyer ensuring that civil liberties are observed in the course of his representation is doing good. He is not promoting murder, but maintaining the sanctity of the judicial system.

Selling beer is not fundamentally wrong. It was a practical decision that no all LDS members would be able to control their drinking, so none of us agreed to drink it. I see nothing fundamental about our WoW doctrine.

Yet opposing the fundamental belief that families ideally should be composed of a husband and wife, bound through priesthood authority is a fundamental lack of conviction. If you don't believe that, you aren't LDS.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

So, it's okay to pimp as long as you're not the one turning tricks?

I guess in this respect I'm little like my Jewish friends; as long as I don't do the sin, it's okay to make a profit. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending upon your perspective, I do believe ownership or participation in brothels does disqualify you for a TR.

[fusnik11]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Selling beer is not fundamentally wrong. It was a practical decision that no all LDS members would be able to control their drinking, so none of us agreed to drink it. I see nothing fundamental about our WoW doctrine.

Yet opposing the fundamental belief that families ideally should be composed of a husband and wife, bound through priesthood authority is a fundamental lack of conviction. If you don't believe that, you aren't LDS.

That's hogwash. For you not to say that the Word of Wisdom is not a fundamental belief in these latter days is way out there. Obedience to the word of wisdom is requried to enter into the temple and is a specific question in the interview process, how is it not a fundamentel belief of the church?

If you sell beer in a restaurant you own, how are you not a group who is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church?

How are the Marriott's who provide porn services in their room allowed to pay tithing and enter into the house of the Lord?

I think we as a people have such a disdain for homosexuality that we allow reason to cloud our judgement.

[Goatnapper'96]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

If you sell beer in a restaurant you own, how are you not a group who is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church?

I think the Church teaches people not to drink beer, and the fact that one is never questioned as to whether or not they sell alcohol is probably an indicator that the word of wisdom is not quite the cornerstone you are extending it to be. What seems important to the LDS Church is how I treat my body.

As far as gay marriage, I am still wondering how the individual answered the question. If I understand the TR interview process it is up to the individual to decide whether or not they are part of any organization that teaches something in opposition to the LDS Church. My guess is that the individual in question is using the opportunity to force the issue. Perhaps they fancy themselves some type of noble social reformer. To be sure, their devotion makes my nipples hard....in a most heterosexual way Bishop if you are reading this.

[BlueK]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

That's hogwash. For you not to say that the Word of Wisdom is not a fundamental belief in these latter days is way out there. Obedience to the word of wisdom is requried to enter into the temple and is a specific question in the interview process, how is it not a fundamentel belief of the church?

If you sell beer in a restaurant you own, how are you not a group who is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church?

How are the Marriott's who provide porn services in their room allowed to pay tithing and enter into the house of the Lord?

I think we as a people have such a disdain for homosexuality that we allow reason to cloud our judgement.

You believe owning a restaurant that sells alcohol should disqualify you for the temple?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by fusnik11

That's hogwash. For you not to say that the Word of Wisdom is not a fundamental belief in these latter days is way out there. Obedience to the word of wisdom is requried to enter into the temple and is a specific question in the interview process, how is it not a fundamentel belief of the church?

If you sell beer in a restaurant you own, how are you not a group who is in direct contradiction to the teachings of the church?

How are the Marriott's who provide porn services in their room allowed to pay tithing and enter into the house of the Lord?

I think we as a people have such a disdain for homosexuality that we allow reason to cloud our judgement.

Obedience to the revelations and commandments from our prophet is what is required.

The WoW has not always been here. And it may go away some day. Personally I hope it never does. However, good people, nonmembers who drink are not inherently sinning for drinking. They have not made covenants not to drink.

Marriott doesn't provide porn services. Marriott provides access so that those wish to select porn as entertainment. The access also provides entertainment which is wholesome and acceptable.

Promoting gay unions shows a fundamental disbelief in LDS epistemology.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Obedience to the revelations and commandments from our prophet is what is required.

The WoW has not always been here. And it may go away some day. Personally I hope it never does. However, good people, nonmembers who drink are not inherently sinning for drinking. They have not made covenants not to drink.

Marriott doesn't provide porn services. Marriott provides access so that those wish to select porn as entertainment. The access also provides entertainment which is wholesome and acceptable.

Promoting gay unions shows a fundamental disbelief in LDS epistemology.

Question for you, Archea:

Suppose someone does not believe in gay marriage but believes that a constitutional ammendment is a bad idea. Would you advocate denying a person in this situation a recommend?