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Obey 1950s Honor Code, and provide "good education" whatever that is, but not research.
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09-18-2006, 02:59 AM | #35 |
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I think BYU should strive for excellence at all levels.
I also think the church should not own or subsidize BYU. I don't see how these are contradictory. I've already posted on CB what sort of federal research funding BYU gets. I don't know what you define as mid-tier, but triple digits isn't mid tier in my book. |
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No, if that is all they aspire to do, they are doing poorly. It shouldn't be an aspiration but a fact of life. And they should strive to be the best students within their fields of study.
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I don't know where you guys are going with this. BYU is a fine institution. It is designed to be a great undergraduate institution that prepares people for graduate work elsewhere (with a few exceptions, like law). It does its work well. Its students are in HIGH demand. They are well-prepared for graduate work at other universities, and routinely fill out many slots in the elite university graduate programs. Indeed, they are overrepresented in such programs. They go overboard with the honor code, yes. But people go there knowing what they are getting. I would like to see them be more open to opposing ideas in the classroom, but I think they do very well with what they are trying to accomplish. |
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09-18-2006, 04:36 AM | #38 |
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I guess what I may be getting to is the hard sciences. Maybe BYU is just fine as a liberal arts school. That's not a terribly difficult standard. Many schools do just that with zero research.
But when it comes to science, I think that's where the lack of research hurts the undergrads. There are fewer research opportunities, and in my experience, many of these are token opportunities. Not the kind that really exposes you to what you may eventually do. I was lucky enough to get outside research experiences during the summer, that BYU could never have provided. These led to two undergrad publications that would have never occurred had all my research experience occurred at BYU. Do many BYU students go on to great schools and success in the hard sciences? Yes. But I think it is because of the quality students. And then when these quality students succeed in graduate school (in the hard sciences), are they going to come back to BYU? Not likely. Is this good for BYU? In my opinion, no it is not. Is it good for Mormondom that they dont' return? Maybe yes. Broaden and strengthen the diaspora. Maybe there really is a method behind the madness. Keep BYU mediocre to deepen and broaden the diaspora, LOL. |
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As to BYU being mid-tier.
BYU is ranked 242 in federal research dollars, and 212 in overall research spending. I don't think I could even tell you the names of more than 150 universities. |
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