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MikeWaters · 06-07-2012, 10:57 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ution.html.csp

If gay leaders are eventually accepted, and the church then axes the Boy Scouts, what will you make of that?

No more summer camps, no more Philmont. No more merit badges. What exactly will they do for an activity program? Duty to God? Lame.

Honestly, this anti-gay stuff--I'm not sure how it helps the church.

realtall · 06-09-2012, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ution.html.csp

If gay leaders are eventually accepted, and the church then axes the Boy Scouts, what will you make of that?

No more summer camps, no more Philmont. No more merit badges. What exactly will they do for an activity program? Duty to God? Lame.

Honestly, this anti-gay stuff--I'm not sure how it helps the church.

I don't think that it will be a real problem for the church to come up with their own YM activity program. The YW do just fine w/o the auspices of the girl scouts.

And I'm not so sure that bsa will cave. They can't be that anxious to instantly lose 40% of their membership, as would surely happen.

MikeWaters · 06-09-2012, 12:36 PM

but the YW don't have an "outdoors" program.

If a gay scout leader for a non-LDS troop in New York ruins scouts for the entire church--I just think that's weird. And must mean that scouting is not important in the first place.

How many LDS parents will place their kids in BSA troops in that case (outside the church's auspices of course)?

ute4ever · 06-09-2012, 03:31 PM

As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

realtall · 06-10-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

Not sure. That comes down to his thoughts and what he shares with others. If he doesn't act on it then is he really gay? Or does he just have tendencies? If he has never acted on it I don't see what the problem is with his becoming scoutmaster or whatever.

MikeWaters · 06-10-2012, 01:41 AM

there are female scoutmasters. apparently that wasn't enough for the church to drop scouting.

Tex · 06-10-2012, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ute4ever

As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop.

Except Scoutmaster.

FYI, every position in Young Men, and a few in primary, are considered Scout leadership positions.

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

there are female scoutmasters. apparently that wasn't enough for the church to drop scouting.

There are female cubmasters in the church. And in Venturing, there are both co-ed and all female "crews", though these are not church sponsored.

RedHeadGal · 06-12-2012, 03:13 PM

It seems to me that people are more afraid of gay men in this situation, because of the common (unfounded) belief that gay men "like" little boys, or that they will "turn" them gay. So BSAs should be fine with lesbians. . . right?

MikeWaters · 06-12-2012, 04:09 PM

There are plenty of gays in scouting. At summer camp, you meet the college students that are camp counselors, your gaydar will go off more then once or twice.

Archaea · 06-13-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RedHeadGal

It seems to me that people are more afraid of gay men in this situation, because of the common (unfounded) belief that gay men "like" little boys, or that they will "turn" them gay. So BSAs should be fine with lesbians. . . right?

You have a problem with lesbians? Mike and I don't.

06-07-2012, 10:57 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	BSA, gays, and LDS church http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/54...ution.html.csp If gay leaders are eventually accepted, and the church then axes the Boy Scouts, what will you make of that? No more summer camps, no more Philmont. No more merit badges. What exactly will they do for an activity program? Duty to God? Lame. Honestly, this anti-gay stuff--I'm not sure how it helps the church.

06-09-2012, 12:36 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	but the YW don't have an "outdoors" program. If a gay scout leader for a non-LDS troop in New York ruins scouts for the entire church--I just think that's weird. And must mean that scouting is not important in the first place. How many LDS parents will place their kids in BSA troops in that case (outside the church's auspices of course)?

06-09-2012, 03:31 PM	#4
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	As long as a gay man remains celibate, he can hold any calling in the ward that doesn't require marriage, i.e. bishop. Except Scoutmaster.

06-10-2012, 01:41 AM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	there are female scoutmasters. apparently that wasn't enough for the church to drop scouting.

06-12-2012, 03:13 PM	#8
RedHeadGal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: DC Posts: 995	It seems to me that people are more afraid of gay men in this situation, because of the common (unfounded) belief that gay men "like" little boys, or that they will "turn" them gay. So BSAs should be fine with lesbians. . . right?

06-12-2012, 04:09 PM	#9
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	There are plenty of gays in scouting. At summer camp, you meet the college students that are camp counselors, your gaydar will go off more then once or twice.