So how do Bush supporters feel about the information contained in the released memos?

[Cali Coug]

Statements to the effect that the President may suspend basically any constitutional right he wants during the "war on terror?" I would hope those of you who claim such fidelity to the 2nd Amendment would be equally horrified by what is a clear assault on the entire Bill of Rights.

[MikeWaters]

I am betting Obama has drafted something saying the same thing.

Just like he and Panetta have said that they reserve the right to use torture, despite the fact that they never will. Yeah........right.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I am betting Obama has drafted something saying the same thing.

Just like he and Panetta have said that they reserve the right to use torture, despite the fact that they never will. Yeah........right.

Obama has ordered the military and the CIA to cease any "enhanced interrogations." He ordered that they comply with the Army Field Manual. He nominated an AG who made it clear that waterboarding is beyond the limits of what the US will permit. So while the executive order does provide that the AG may provide additional guidance that would permit some deviation from the Field Manual, this is hardly a ratification of torture, and the ethics investigations being conducted by Holder at Obama's order on those who wrote memos at the DOJ permitting torture sends a very strong signal that torture isn't going to be tolerated.

[All-American]

Mike, you may be interested to know that a certain member of the Utah State Senate has a flag with your avatar hanging in his office as of about two weeks ago. Care to guess who?

And good for Obama for at least saying it.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by All-American

Mike, you may be interested to know that a certain member of the Utah State Senate has a flag with your avatar hanging in his office as of about two weeks ago. Care to guess who?

And good for Obama for at least saying it.

It's the politically correct thing to say, color me unimpressed.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Statements to the effect that the President may suspend basically any constitutional right he wants during the "war on terror?" I would hope those of you who claim such fidelity to the 2nd Amendment would be equally horrified by what is a clear assault on the entire Bill of Rights.

What a politician says and what a politician does are often two different things. And what's going on with executive orders these days? Oh, and what do you think of his undoing of Clinton era welfare reforms or the democrats desire to curtail free speech guised as fairness doctrine?

You somehow manage to avoid all those discussions and then start of flurry of threads talking about Limbaugh and Bush? Classic.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

What a politician says and what a politician does are often two different things. And what's going on with executive orders these days? Oh, and what do you think of his undoing of Clinton era welfare reforms or the democrats desire to curtail free speech guised as fairness doctrine?

You somehow manage to avoid all those discussions and then start of flurry of threads talking about Limbaugh and Bush? Classic.

That is precisely the point. Bush assured us all that he wouldn't violate constitutional liberties. Then he actually had his legal advisors outline manners in which he could do exactly what he told all of us he wouldn't do. It is shameful.

What do you mean "what's going on with executive orders these days?" That is a pretty broad question.

Obama hasn't "undone Clinton era welfare reforms". Rather, temporary spending has been authorized, some of which will go to those on welfare or who need welfare.

FYI: Obama opposes the Fairness Doctrine. Heck- who needs the Fairness Doctrine when the top conservative commentator spends his time proving he is the de facto leader of the SWCP rather than Steele?

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

That is precisely the point. Bush assured us all that he wouldn't violate constitutional liberties. Then he actually had his legal advisors outline manners in which he could do exactly what he told all of us he wouldn't do. It is shameful.

So you're upset about what he theoretically MIGHT have done, but never actually did? Yawn.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So you're upset about what he theoretically MIGHT have done, but never actually did? Yawn.

Riiiiiiiiight... I am sure he never actually did what the memos permitted him to do. I am sure it was just an intellectual exercise. Just like waterboarding- which they also told us they didn't do, until it was clear they did.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Riiiiiiiiight... I am sure he never actually did what the memos permitted him to do. I am sure it was just an intellectual exercise. Just like waterboarding- which they also told us they didn't do, until it was clear they did.

I wish Bush had waterboarded you.