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SeattleUte · 03-06-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

BTW, nice touch starting off with Godwin's Law in the first post.

You don't understand Godwin's law. It doesn't render offlimits any use of Nazi Germany as a moral touchstone or to make a philosophical point. That would be stupid, and dangerous, wouldn't it? The point is that the simile is overused.

Tex · 03-06-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

You don't understand Godwin's law. It doesn't render offlimits any use of Nazi Germany as a moral touchstone or to make a philosophical point. That would be stupid, and dangerous, wouldn't it? The point is that the simile is overused.

Ergo, your post.

Jeff Lebowski · 03-06-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Had I been able to vote on Prop 8, I would've voted against it because I oppose gay marriage.

And ironically, by voting against it you would be unwittingly casting a vote in favor of gay marriage.

Tex · 03-06-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

And ironically, by voting against it you would be unwittingly casting a vote in favor of gay marriage.

*shrug* Whatever. You know what I meant.

MikeWaters · 03-06-2009, 06:58 PM

I don't really get the "I didn't make an informed and principled decision" defense. Although for many people it is no doubt true.

If you didn't think, feel, deliberate in any meaningful fashion before acting, maybe you deserve to lose your job.

I'm much more sympathetic to someone saying, "I thought hard about this, and I decided to support Prop 8." But what we see are people who are trying to please both sides--their "gay friends" and their church leaders.

Archaea · 03-06-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Ergo, your post.

Hmm, Tex gets it and Seattle ignores it. If you are to use the simile, make certain it's a tight fight, not one so lose and sloppy.

SeattleUte · 03-06-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

Hmm, Tex gets it and Seattle ignores it. If you are to use the simile, make certain it's a tight fight, not one so lose and sloppy.

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...ed=1#post47062

Tex · 03-06-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

http://www.cougaruteforum.com/showth...ed=1#post47062

If you're trying to argue that LDS members so-called "blindly" following their church leaders in the rare instances those leaders actually advocate a political position is a slippery slope that can/will eventually lead to Holocaust-style atrocities ... I will most likely laugh in your face and not take you the least bit seriously.

Not really different from any other time, I guess.

SeattleUte · 03-06-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

If you're trying to argue that LDS members so-called "blindly" following their church leaders in the rare instances those leaders actually advocate a political position is a slippery slope that can/will eventually lead to Holocaust-style atrocities ... I will most likely laugh in your face and not take you the least bit seriously.

Not really different from any other time, I guess.

Tex, I think most people today would not consider it a good thing to blindly follow a religious cleric's directive. The mischeif that can follow from that type of thing is demonstrable and historically well documented. I'm glad you admit that that's what was going on here and that's what happens with most LDS members all the time. The biggest protection we have agaisnt a slippery slope leading to Holocaust-type atrocities is not the character of any religious cleric in America but our Constitution and secular ethos. I don't think I'm being controversial or going out on a limb in saying that.

Tex · 03-06-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Tex, I think most people today would not consider it a good thing to blindly follow a religious cleric's directive. The mischeif that can follow from that type of thing is demonstrable and historically well documented. I'm glad you admit that that's what was going on here and that's what happens with most LDS members all the time. The biggest protection we have agaisnt a slippery slope leading to Holocaust-type atrocities is not the character of any religious cleric in America but our Constitution and secular ethos. I don't think I'm being controversial or going out on a limb in saying that.

We are so far up that slippery-slope that our butts would be scraped completely off by friction before we ever got even close to a Holocaust anything. Anytime someone like you brings up something like that so casually, it's cause to point-and-mock. If anyone is cheapening that atrocity, it's you.

As for the "blind" obedience thing, I used the words "so called" for a reason. I don't buy it.

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MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I don't really get the "I didn't make an informed and principled decision" defense. Although for many people it is no doubt true. If you didn't think, feel, deliberate in any meaningful fashion before acting, maybe you deserve to lose your job. I'm much more sympathetic to someone saying, "I thought hard about this, and I decided to support Prop 8." But what we see are people who are trying to please both sides--their "gay friends" and their church leaders.