The Church is smart

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar

I believe this and wonder if there isn't some level of concern that it passed. Seriously. I think most people who worked hard on the campaign really don't want to do it again. Ever. But they will if asked. If Prop 8 had failed, the debate on gay marriage would be essentially over. Now, Church members may be spending vast additional amounts of time, money and social capital on the matter.

Yes. Be careful what you wish for. I'm sitting here wishing Kerry had won in 2004.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Yes, you are a dishonest person.

link?

[LA Ute]

Kate Kendall, by the way, is a Utah law grad and a former Mormon.
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Proposition 8 opponents seek to invalidate measure
arojas@sacbee.com
Published Wednesday, Nov. 05, 2008

While not conceding defeat, opponents of the ballot measure that would end same-sex marriage in California filed a petition with the California Supreme Court to invalidate the proposed constitutional amendment.

The petition charges that Proposition 8 is invalid because the initiative process was improperly used in an attempt to undo the state constitution's core commitment to equality for everyone.

The Associated Press this morning reported that Californians adopted the measure to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in May that gave gay couples the right to wed.

But opponents would not concede the outcome, despite vote totals showing supporters of Proposition 8 with a 400,000-vote advantage.

Kate Kendall, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, said 3 million to 4 million ballots remain uncounted statewide.

Today's petition was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Solon

There are plenty of instances of "god-ordained" bigotry, if you believe in that sort of thing. Sometimes religions aren't very "moral" in contemporaneous or future contexts.

In my opinion, this is just another brick in that wall.

I assumed we were operating from a common definition of what is moral. If you want to say moral means anything any religion or person ever defined it as, then sure.

But that doesn't strike me as much of an argument.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

link?

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...t=24388&page=2

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Tex

I assumed we were operating from a common definition of what is moral. If you want to say moral means anything any religion or person ever defined it as, then sure.

But that doesn't strike me as much of an argument.

It wasn't my point.

My point was, regardless of the "morality" of the issue, the church's is a bigoted position.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by LA Ute

Today's petition was filed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights.

IIRC, Lambda Legal was the group that took Dale all the way to the US Supreme Court.

But shhh. Don't tell Lebowski that the gay community has an agenda.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showthr...t=24388&page=2

Now you really are arguing in circles.

You should have to surrender that diploma from the BYU.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

It wasn't my point.

My point was, regardless of the "morality" of the issue, the church's is a bigoted position.

Another deliberate dishonest statement.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

Now you really are arguing in circles.

You should have to surrender that diploma from the BYU.

I don't have a diploma from BYU.

That was an honest statement.

Give it a whirl. You can do it if you put your mind to it.