The Church is smart

[All-American]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

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Hey, come now. Let's keep this thing safe for work.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

Why are you calling me dishonest? I'm just calling a spade a spade here. What did I lie about?

You confuse the hell out of me, Mr. Intellectual-Under-Cover.

I am not surprised that you would be confused what is and isn't honest.

It explains you better.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by LA Ute

I don't think the Church can be expected to stay out of such matters.

This is not intended to be snarky. I actually agree with your statement here. One silver lining is that enlightened Mormons like some of my friends on CG here who have been telling me I'm all wrong about their church have received a clear message about what their church is at a cellular level.

In fact, I wouldn't have a problem if you anti-gay marriage folks would just cast this as a moral issue and leave it at that. But as the Wasington Post article linked by MRD (which criticized pro gay marriage advocates for targeting Mormons for special criticism) stated, "The Yes on 8 campaign has been cynically skillful in changing the subject from whether gays deserve marriage equality to more highly charged questions. Will churches be sued for refusing to marry gay couples? Or will young children have to be taught about same-sex marriage in schools?" Another one we've heard here, government would revoke religions' tax exempt status. These are all lies. But the article urged "progressive groups" to not get into the gutter with pro propositon 8 groups including Mormons.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by All-American

Hey, come now. Let's keep this thing safe for work.

Sorry. I can turn anything into boobs.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Tex

Is not bigotry by definition morally wrong?

There are plenty of instances of "god-ordained" bigotry, if you believe in that sort of thing. Sometimes religions aren't very "moral" in contemporaneous or future contexts.

In my opinion, this is just another brick in that wall.

[PaloAltoCougar]

Originally Posted by All-American

Between you, me, and the kitchen sink, not even the proposition's greatest proponents in the quorum of the 12 thought it would pass. It was never supposed to work.

I believe this and wonder if there isn't some level of concern that it passed. Seriously. I think most people who worked hard on the campaign really don't want to do it again. Ever. But they will if asked. If Prop 8 had failed, the debate on gay marriage would be essentially over. Now, Church members may be spending vast additional amounts of time, money and social capital on the matter.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I am not surprised that you would be confused what is and isn't honest.

It explains you better.

Good answer. Wow, you got me.



this whole conversation is such a waste of time. let me know when you figure out how to organize rational, fact-based arguments, Rocko.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

Good answer. Wow, you got me.



this whole conversation is such a waste of time. let me know when you figure out how to organize rational, fact-based arguments, Rocko.

Let me know when you decide you want to make an attempt at honest discussion.

They say there's a first time for everything....

[Solon]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

Let me know when you decide you want to make an attempt at honest discussion.

They say there's a first time for everything....

Are you calling me a liar?

If so, prove it.

(Oh wait. You can't. My bad.)

You're a piece of work.

[RockyBalboa]

Originally Posted by Solon

Are you calling me a liar?

Yes, you are a dishonest person.