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SeattleUte · 11-08-2007, 04:01 PM

I'd like to see these verses removed:

2 Nephi 5:21:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

3 Nephi 2:15:

"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

Besides being racist, the foregoing are too suggestive of Lamanites being Chickasaws or such.

I'd like to see the Isaiah passsages removed. I'm not sure what they add to the story, and they're not original. At least Tolstoy's philosophical digressions in War and Peace were his own original work.

I'd like the stuff taken from the KJV to be replaced by a more avant guard translation.

Not sure about the references to Old World animals, wheels and steel; I think it may be a worthy experiment in magical realism. I mean, in 100 Years of Solitude Marquez wrote about flying carpets in South America.

Any more ideas?

Indy Coug · 11-08-2007, 04:04 PM

Yeah, let's start doing stuff like this so it'll become the garbled mess the Bible is.

TripletDaddy · 11-08-2007, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'd like to see these verses removed:

2 Nephi 5:21:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

3 Nephi 2:15:

"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

Besides being racist, the foregoing are too suggestive of Lamanites being Chickasaws or such.

I'd like to see the Isaiah passsages removed. I'm not sure what they add to the story, and they're not original. At least Tolstoy's philosophical digressions in War and Peace were his own original work.

I'd like the stuff taken from the KJV to be replaced by a more avant guard translation.

Not sure about the references to Old World animals, wheels and steel; I think it may be a worthy experiment in magical realism. I mean, in 100 Years of Solitude Marquez wrote about flying carpets in South America.

Any more ideas?

Have you ever considered starting your own religion? You seem to have a lot of good ideas.

MikeWaters · 11-08-2007, 04:11 PM

SU, what shall I do?

smokymountainrain · 11-08-2007, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'd like to see these verses removed:

2 Nephi 5:21:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

3 Nephi 2:15:

"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

Besides being racist, the foregoing are too suggestive of Lamanites being Chickasaws or such.

I'd like to see the Isaiah passsages removed. I'm not sure what they add to the story, and they're not original. At least Tolstoy's philosophical digressions in War and Peace were his own original work.

I'd like the stuff taken from the KJV to be replaced by a more avant guard translation.

Not sure about the references to Old World animals, wheels and steel; I think it may be a worthy experiment in magical realism. I mean, in 100 Years of Solitude Marquez wrote about flying carpets in South America.

Any more ideas?

Tex · 11-08-2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I'd like to see these verses removed:

2 Nephi 5:21:

"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."

3 Nephi 2:15:

"And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites."

Besides being racist, the foregoing are too suggestive of Lamanites being Chickasaws or such.

I'd like to see the Isaiah passsages removed. I'm not sure what they add to the story, and they're not original. At least Tolstoy's philosophical digressions in War and Peace were his own original work.

I'd like the stuff taken from the KJV to be replaced by a more avant guard translation.

Not sure about the references to Old World animals, wheels and steel; I think it may be a worthy experiment in magical realism. I mean, in 100 Years of Solitude Marquez wrote about flying carpets in South America.

Any more ideas?

It's too bad the guys that wrote all that stuff have been dead for a thousand years or two. I'd like to see a cage match between SeattleUte and Nephi, or Moroni.

woot · 11-08-2007, 04:29 PM

While I don't think anything like this would ever happen, I don't think any reasonable person would argue at this point that dark skin is a curse from God, so these verses aren't any less wrong than the BoM introduction was. It is just a lot more difficult to change the actual "most correct of any book" than it is to change a non-canonical addition written by an over-zealous apostle.

Indy Coug · 11-08-2007, 04:34 PM

I'm amused by how people seem to have such a firm grasp on what God will or won't do. If it is a given that He created the Universe, then everything else seems perfectly plausible, given the right circumstances.

non sequitur · 11-08-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

It's too bad the guys that wrote all that stuff have been dead for a thousand years or two. I'd like to see a cage match between SeattleUte and Nephi, or Moroni.

SU would probably get his ass kicked, but it wouldn't fair. Everyone knows those guys were on the juice.

SeattleUte · 11-08-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

I'm amused by how people seem to have such a firm grasp on what God will or won't do.

Ah, at last. Some common ground between SU and Indy. I agree with this statement.

11-08-2007, 04:01 PM	#1
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Changes I'd like to see made in the Book of Mormon I'd like to see these verses removed: 2 Nephi 5:21: "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." 3 Nephi 2:15: "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites." Besides being racist, the foregoing are too suggestive of Lamanites being Chickasaws or such. I'd like to see the Isaiah passsages removed. I'm not sure what they add to the story, and they're not original. At least Tolstoy's philosophical digressions in War and Peace were his own original work. I'd like the stuff taken from the KJV to be replaced by a more avant guard translation. Not sure about the references to Old World animals, wheels and steel; I think it may be a worthy experiment in magical realism. I mean, in 100 Years of Solitude Marquez wrote about flying carpets in South America. Any more ideas? __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

11-08-2007, 04:04 PM	#2
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Yeah, let's start doing stuff like this so it'll become the garbled mess the Bible is.

11-08-2007, 04:11 PM	#4
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	SU, what shall I do?

11-08-2007, 04:29 PM	#7
woot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,502	While I don't think anything like this would ever happen, I don't think any reasonable person would argue at this point that dark skin is a curse from God, so these verses aren't any less wrong than the BoM introduction was. It is just a lot more difficult to change the actual "most correct of any book" than it is to change a non-canonical addition written by an over-zealous apostle.

11-08-2007, 04:34 PM	#8
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	I'm amused by how people seem to have such a firm grasp on what God will or won't do. If it is a given that He created the Universe, then everything else seems perfectly plausible, given the right circumstances.