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bYuPride · 11-11-2008, 05:05 PM

reading in the Salt Lake Tribune BYU blog (http://blogs.sltrib.com/byu/) got me frustrated hearing Travis Bright's displeasure with the fans and their support. Bright is a team captain. He's a main representative of the team and what they think. Between this and Bronco bitching about the booing every 5 seconds, it's getting really old. Bronco says fans have to prove to him they are fully invested. That's getting old. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the team is finding ways to win. I'm pumped that we are 9-1 and in the top 20. I just wish the were more of a connection between the players and fans. I wish the team being in the 'spotlight' wasn't a 'distraction', rather it was a something they embraced and thrived on.

YOhio · 11-11-2008, 05:20 PM

If Bronco didn't love fans he wouldn't set up firesides for us every week. What more could we ask for?

TripletDaddy · 11-11-2008, 05:23 PM

Bronco should shut his Coaches Circle pie hole about the fans proving they are fully invested. The school would not be paying him his current salary if it werent for the fans....who are basically paying it.

The expectations are really high right now because we have a rare convergence of offensive talent, which we should not squander via half-hearted effort.

The loss to TCU does dampen enthusiasm. Welcome to big-time football, where the goal is NOT a winning season or to make it to a bowl game. The goal is to play on the biggest stages. Losing a game puts an end to that goal.

A 9-1 season is still great and fans should not abandon the team, but BYU cannot have it both ways......do the Cougars want to compete at the highest level or not? And if so, then they need to get used to rabid fans that live and die with every single mistake or success. This problem isnt unique to BYU, maybe BYU just isnt used to high expectations.

Hot Lunch · 11-11-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Bronco should shut his Coaches Circle pie hole about the fans proving they are fully invested. The school would not be paying him his current salary if it werent for the fans....who are basically paying it.

These are my thoughts as well. Fans have nothing to prove to Bronco.... Absolutely nothing. Bronco really needs to stop dwelling on this.

Tex · 11-11-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Bronco should shut his Coaches Circle pie hole about the fans proving they are fully invested. The school would not be paying him his current salary if it werent for the fans....who are basically paying it.

Hey Triplet, why not just cut Bronco off from the trough, eh? Stop buying tickets to the games (you are buying tickets, right?) and show him who his boss is!

TripletDaddy · 11-11-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Hey Triplet, why not just cut Bronco off from the trough, eh? Stop buying tickets to the games (you are buying tickets, right?) and show him who his boss is!

As usual, your missive is off-point and rambling. You have a habit of posting things that make valid points, but they are never on point to what is being discussed, so the result is confusion.

The original post was that Bronco wants fans to prove they are invested.

My post was that bronco doesnt need proof, as his salary is paid out of the Coaches Circle fund....NOT by the Church.

You respond by saying, "hey, do you even buy football tickets? show 'em who the boss is!"

Football ticket revenue is not used to fund Coaches Circle, so this is why I am confused at your response. It makes little to no sense in the context of what we are discussing. Help me help YOU, Tex. throw me a bone here.

BlueHair · 11-11-2008, 07:57 PM

This is pretty funny. It's like a director telling movie goers that they have to prove that they are fully invested no matter what kind of product he produces. Only at BYU.

Tex · 11-11-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Football ticket revenue is not used to fund Coaches Circle, so this is why I am confused at your response. It makes little to no sense in the context of what we are discussing. Help me help YOU, Tex. throw me a bone here.

I have no idea what the Coaches Circle is, nor do I really care. I am completely incurious about how Bronco's salary is paid.

But go ahead ... feel free to explain to me how you are contributing to his salary, so I can tell you again to stop and show him who's boss.

I don't put much stock in comments, but just for kicks, the first comment after the Bright blog entry is a perfect example of a complete jerk for a fan:

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I am not surprised that the team feels a little less support. The fans, myself included, feel a little let down by the way the team approached the TCU game. It is inexcusable for the team to show up for a game like that with little emotion and less preparation. In addition, our predictable offense was easy to defend and scheme for. The coaches were not prepared and neither were the players. Frankly, I was dissapointed with the effort from both, and it affected my attitude. In fact, I still feel different about the team today...and it is not because of the loss. It is because of the lack of effort and preparation. When I see 100% effort, regardless of a win or a loss, I will be behind them 100% as well. I thought fanatical effort on every play was what Bronco was all about. It is not showing up in this team. I want to see some emotion and heart from BYU players and coaches in a big game like Air Force. Until then, there is less blue in my Kool-Aide.

Good riddance, I say.

TripletDaddy · 11-11-2008, 08:28 PM

Coaches Circle is the fund set up by the AD to pay our coaches as close to market value as possible, but with the directive to never pay excessively....that is determined on a case by case. BYU wants to stay competitive with its salaries, but will never pay coaches on par with the top BCS counterparts. The Church will not allow that.

Bronco received a raise at the beginning of last season, as well as an extension. Rose also received a raise. Bronco makes somewhere around $800-850K now. Rose, I have no idea what he makes.

Coaches Circle is funded by direct donations from fans and private donors. It was originally launched by a direct buy-in from a tiny pool of well-heeled donors and there was a minimum contribution to a member of Coaches Circle, but has expanded to accept contributions from all sides (you just are not a "member" of the Circle unless you meet minimum contribution requirements.

Bronco's salary is derived 100% from Coaches Circle, not from BYU football ticket or TV revenue.

The fact that you know none of this means you are not a very big fan. in which case, Bronco says good riddance to you.

Also, again, staying on point to the original post, what exactly is your point? You seem to be fixated on me showing Bronco who is Boss. Why? The issue of who is Boss was never AT issue. The original post was Bronco wanting fans to prove that they are invested, not Bronco wanting fans to not boss him around.

Sometimes you are very sloppy with your approach. This is one of those times.

how much have you donated to Coaches Circle, btw?

Tex · 11-11-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

The fact that you know none of this means you are not a very big fan. in which case, Bronco says good riddance to you.

Heh, right. Next home game let's have a show of hands of everyone who's a Coaches Circle donor. Then hand Bronco a mic so he can tell them all to leave the stadium, shouting "Good riddance."

You appear to have Entitled Fan and Condescending Fan syndrome rolled into one, making you very intolerable.

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Also, again, staying on point to the original post, what exactly is your point? You seem to be fixated on me showing Bronco who is Boss. Why? The issue of who is Boss was never AT issue. The original post was Bronco wanting fans to prove that they are invested, not Bronco wanting fans to not boss him around.

Entitled Fan syndrome consists of fans citing their "right" to stuff based on their financial contribution (right to boo, right to attend spring practice, etc). My deepest and most sincere apologies if you aren't one of Those.

EDIT: I just realized you're referring to the entire "Fully Invested" campaign, and not some recent quote. What exactly do you find wrong with a coach asking fans to step up their commitment to the program?

11-11-2008, 05:05 PM	#1
bYuPride Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 1,058	disconnect between team/bronco and fans reading in the Salt Lake Tribune BYU blog (http://blogs.sltrib.com/byu/) got me frustrated hearing Travis Bright's displeasure with the fans and their support. Bright is a team captain. He's a main representative of the team and what they think. Between this and Bronco bitching about the booing every 5 seconds, it's getting really old. Bronco says fans have to prove to him they are fully invested. That's getting old. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy the team is finding ways to win. I'm pumped that we are 9-1 and in the top 20. I just wish the were more of a connection between the players and fans. I wish the team being in the 'spotlight' wasn't a 'distraction', rather it was a something they embraced and thrived on. __________________ Get your BYU license plates http://dmv.utah.gov/licensecollegiate.html#byu You do not have to wait for your current registration to expire. Get your freakin' plates on your vehicle and be TRUE BLUE!!!!!! "I'm on my beater bike" Translation: I had this baby custom-made in Tuscany using titanium blessed by the Pope. I took it to a wind tunnel and it disappeared. It weighs less than a fart and costs more than a divorce.

11-11-2008, 05:23 PM	#3
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	Bronco should shut his Coaches Circle pie hole about the fans proving they are fully invested. The school would not be paying him his current salary if it werent for the fans....who are basically paying it. The expectations are really high right now because we have a rare convergence of offensive talent, which we should not squander via half-hearted effort. The loss to TCU does dampen enthusiasm. Welcome to big-time football, where the goal is NOT a winning season or to make it to a bowl game. The goal is to play on the biggest stages. Losing a game puts an end to that goal. A 9-1 season is still great and fans should not abandon the team, but BYU cannot have it both ways......do the Cougars want to compete at the highest level or not? And if so, then they need to get used to rabid fans that live and die with every single mistake or success. This problem isnt unique to BYU, maybe BYU just isnt used to high expectations. __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

11-11-2008, 08:28 PM	#9
TripletDaddy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 9,483	Coaches Circle is the fund set up by the AD to pay our coaches as close to market value as possible, but with the directive to never pay excessively....that is determined on a case by case. BYU wants to stay competitive with its salaries, but will never pay coaches on par with the top BCS counterparts. The Church will not allow that. Bronco received a raise at the beginning of last season, as well as an extension. Rose also received a raise. Bronco makes somewhere around $800-850K now. Rose, I have no idea what he makes. Coaches Circle is funded by direct donations from fans and private donors. It was originally launched by a direct buy-in from a tiny pool of well-heeled donors and there was a minimum contribution to a member of Coaches Circle, but has expanded to accept contributions from all sides (you just are not a "member" of the Circle unless you meet minimum contribution requirements. Bronco's salary is derived 100% from Coaches Circle, not from BYU football ticket or TV revenue. The fact that you know none of this means you are not a very big fan. in which case, Bronco says good riddance to you. Also, again, staying on point to the original post, what exactly is your point? You seem to be fixated on me showing Bronco who is Boss. Why? The issue of who is Boss was never AT issue. The original post was Bronco wanting fans to prove that they are invested, not Bronco wanting fans to not boss him around. Sometimes you are very sloppy with your approach. This is one of those times. how much have you donated to Coaches Circle, btw? __________________ Fitter. Happier. More Productive. "Everyone is against me. Everyone is fawning for 3D's attention and defending him." -- SeattleUte

11-11-2008, 05:20 PM	#2
YOhio AKA SeattleNewt Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7,055	If Bronco didn't love fans he wouldn't set up firesides for us every week. What more could we ask for?

11-11-2008, 07:57 PM	#7
BlueHair Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 1,148	This is pretty funny. It's like a director telling movie goers that they have to prove that they are fully invested no matter what kind of product he produces. Only at BYU.