Elder Boyd K. Packer

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by Solon

FWIW, this is from the Statement of the First Presidency regarding God’s Love for All Mankind, 15 Feb. 1978.

I guess right now, somewhere, Plato is telling Aristotle to eat his ass.

I'm fond of that FPS.

[malapert]

Originally Posted by Solon

I guess right now, somewhere, Plato is telling Aristotle to eat his ass.

LOL....good one Solon.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Adam

If Hugh Nibley had written the statement he would have included Solon for whom he had great respect. He talk long and often about Solon in my BofM class during 1990-1991.

Solon might be considered the Father of Democracy, so he'd be well considered. He also receives credit I believe for pederasty.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Adam

Of course it isn't unique to BYU, but some of us would like to hope that BYU could be better then other places, more compassionate, more interested in right and truth over bureaucratic dickering and turf battles. Some of still hold onto the dream that BYU is different in important and wonderful ways--when the illusion is shattered it is sad.

BYU never has been and never will be perfect.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by Adam

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Of course it isn't unique to BYU, but some of us would like to hope that BYU could be better then other places, more compassionate, more interested in right and truth over bureaucratic dickering and turf battles. Some of still hold onto the dream that BYU is different in important and wonderful ways--when the illusion is shattered it is sad.

Some would hope but it'd be a false, illogical hope. No academic institution that is really interested in right and truth would have the restrictions that BYU does on academic freedom and free speech nor would it be the host to a religion apolgetics group.

[pelagius]

Originally Posted by Adam

Some of still hold onto the dream that BYU is different in important and wonderful ways--when the illusion is shattered it is sad.

Let me strongly agree with Jeff. Certainly BYU is far from perfect, but I actually think BYU is different in important and wonderful ways. My professional interaction is fairly narrowly confined to my academic field but in ever respect over the last 5 years (including a lot of interaction over the past 6 months) my experience has easily met the above standard. Sure, my experience could certainly be idiosyncratic but no less idiosyncratic than the previous story and mine has the advantage of being a first-hand and not second hand.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Some would hope but it'd be a false, illogical hope. No academic institution that is really interested in right and truth would have the restrictions that BYU does on academic freedom and free speech nor would it be the host to a religion apolgetics group.

You're a one-trick pony, hyrum.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by hyrum

Some would hope but it'd be a false, illogical hope. No academic institution that is really interested in right and truth would have the restrictions that BYU does on academic freedom and free speech nor would it be the host to a religion apolgetics group.

I'm going to agree with Hyrum here. BYU serves it's core function, which is to turn out undergrad diplomas.

it is a colossal failure in terms of reaching it's potential, in all kinds of areas, including producing vibrant spiritual Latter-day Saints.