Palin has eclipsed Romney's star - cougarguard.com — unofficial BYU Cougars / LDS sports, football, basketball forum and message board

MikeWaters · 09-04-2008, 03:32 PM

and it happened in the blink of an eye.

Romney's head must be spinning.

Instead of being lauded as "ah, how great, maybe we should have picked him instead of McCain", it is now "Romney who?"

The NRO blogs are all talking about Palin running for president in the future.

Romney would be a very good head of the Republican party like Dean did. Raise a lot of money. It's not exactly clear to me how he comes back from this. He needs to really get something done between now and 4 years that makes the public take another look.

BlueK · 09-04-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

and it happened in the blink of an eye.

Romney's head must be spinning.

Instead of being lauded as "ah, how great, maybe we should have picked him instead of McCain", it is now "Romney who?"

The NRO blogs are all talking about Palin running for president in the future.

Romney would be a very good head of the Republican party like Dean did. Raise a lot of money. It's not exactly clear to me how he comes back from this. He needs to really get something done between now and 4 years that makes the public take another look.

Kind of like Jack Kemp in the 90s. He should have been nominated a bunch of times, but he had too much of a libertarian streak in him at a time when the Republicans were trying to become the Christian Right/Social Conservative party. He could have been a better president than either Bush was, and should have been running in the top spot in 96 instead of Dole.

Clark Addison · 09-04-2008, 04:19 PM

If McCain loses, especially if it were a big loss (not very likely IMO), she could be seen as damaged goods, which could help Romney. If you look at VP candidates who lost, the last three who subsequently got their party's nomination for president were Dole, Mondale (who had the advantage of already having been VP) and, way back in 1920, Franklin Roosevelt, who lost the VP election, but made good a few years later. Obviously the nomination process pre-1968 was different, but it's interesting that the losers of the last 21 elections had a hard time moving forward. She is different than a lot of these folks, though. She's not old and washed up, like a Bentsen, or tied to a failed administration, like a Mondale. At least so far, she has shown the ability to energize the party.

having said that, I still think Palin is a high risk/high reward choice for McCain. I've been impressed with her so far, and think she has worked out well, but I don't see the convention as the toughest test she'll face. If she has a George Allen moment, or pulls a Stockdale at a debate, she could lose favor quickly. Unless Biden puts everyone to sleep first and they don't hear her.

FMCoug · 09-04-2008, 05:27 PM

If he loses, Palin may very well be John McCain's legacy. And in some ways, that may be what he was after. A young maverick to replace the aging maverick ...

Tex · 09-04-2008, 06:28 PM

2012 is such a long time away. If there's one thing we should learn from all this, it's that you have no idea what the field will look like in 4 years.

Jeff Lebowski · 09-04-2008, 06:32 PM

The same could be said had McCain picked any other non-Romney candidate.

FMCoug · 09-04-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

The same could be said had McCain picked any other non-Romney candidate.

Yes but maybe not to the same degree. Palin has something NO Republican candidate has had in a LONG time (maybe even since Reagan) ... charisma / star power.

Jeff Lebowski · 09-04-2008, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

Yes but maybe not to the same degree. Palin has something NO Republican candidate has had in a LONG time (maybe even since Reagan) ... charisma / star power.

Since Reagan?? Holy cow, McCain should step aside and let her run for president.

She certainly has more charisma than McCain. I like the guy, but he can be awfully boring.

I wonder how long this charisma will last?

FMCoug · 09-04-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Since Reagan?? Holy cow, McCain should step aside and let her run for president.

She certainly has more charisma than McCain. I like the guy, but he can be awfully boring.

I wonder how long this charisma will last?

It will be interesting to see. Seriously, name a Republican since Reagan who captivated a crowd like she did last night? I can't think of one.

It's WAY too early to say .. and I am NOT comparing her to Reagan by any stretch. My statement is more an indictment of the normal republican stuffed shirts than an endorsement of Palin.

TripletDaddy · 09-04-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FMCoug

It will be interesting to see. Seriously, name a Republican since Reagan who captivated a crowd like she did last night? I can't think of one.

It's WAY too early to say .. and I am NOT comparing her to Reagan by any stretch. My statement is more an indictment of the normal republican stuffed shirts than an endorsement of Palin.

Reagan captivated the globe.

Palin spoke at the Republican National Convention as the newly introduced VP candidate. What did you expect? Jeers and boos from the crowd?

I am not even sure she capitvated the crowd.

Last night's speech reminded me of the SOTU addresses....every time the sitting President says anything, that President's party has to applaud wildly. I remember trying to sit through Clinton's SOTU speeches and I honestly think there was more applauding by Dems than actual speaking by Bill. Really, the same for W.

09-04-2008, 03:32 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Palin has eclipsed Romney's star and it happened in the blink of an eye. Romney's head must be spinning. Instead of being lauded as "ah, how great, maybe we should have picked him instead of McCain", it is now "Romney who?" The NRO blogs are all talking about Palin running for president in the future. Romney would be a very good head of the Republican party like Dean did. Raise a lot of money. It's not exactly clear to me how he comes back from this. He needs to really get something done between now and 4 years that makes the public take another look.

09-04-2008, 05:27 PM	#4
FMCoug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kaysville, UT Posts: 3,151	If he loses, Palin may very well be John McCain's legacy. And in some ways, that may be what he was after. A young maverick to replace the aging maverick ... __________________ Still fat ...

09-04-2008, 06:28 PM	#5
Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	2012 is such a long time away. If there's one thing we should learn from all this, it's that you have no idea what the field will look like in 4 years. __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

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Jeff Lebowski Charon Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the heart of darkness (Provo) Posts: 9,564	The same could be said had McCain picked any other non-Romney candidate. __________________ "... the arc of the universe is long but it bends toward justice." Martin Luther King, Jr.

09-04-2008, 04:19 PM	#3
Clark Addison Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 638	If McCain loses, especially if it were a big loss (not very likely IMO), she could be seen as damaged goods, which could help Romney. If you look at VP candidates who lost, the last three who subsequently got their party's nomination for president were Dole, Mondale (who had the advantage of already having been VP) and, way back in 1920, Franklin Roosevelt, who lost the VP election, but made good a few years later. Obviously the nomination process pre-1968 was different, but it's interesting that the losers of the last 21 elections had a hard time moving forward. She is different than a lot of these folks, though. She's not old and washed up, like a Bentsen, or tied to a failed administration, like a Mondale. At least so far, she has shown the ability to energize the party. having said that, I still think Palin is a high risk/high reward choice for McCain. I've been impressed with her so far, and think she has worked out well, but I don't see the convention as the toughest test she'll face. If she has a George Allen moment, or pulls a Stockdale at a debate, she could lose favor quickly. Unless Biden puts everyone to sleep first and they don't hear her.