Is your faith pragmatic enough to satisfy your needs?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Mindful, you're being intellectually dishonest if you refuse to admit that the realm of Islamic "scholarship" is quite broad. When the Dutch film producer was murdered our analysts interviewed many Islamic scholars to gather divergent views and many supported the killing. You yourself have made arguments favoring killing a person for doing something which is distasteful toward religious faith.

Western philosophy often states, words cannot kill, so we should not kill based on offensive words. I have researched, not as extensively as an expert, but I have done it.

In terms of emotional health, many of the attitudes by the radical elements of Islam seem to run contrary to good mental health.

I didnot integrate the word "almost" for nothing in my post, but i have to get back to you later since i am having a busy weekend and a hectic week coming up. I will use a minute opportunity to post a proper post.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

I think i did answer your question. I caught your post after it had been edited,may be you have something missed out?

Marja Taghlid is the one who has the authority to pose a Fatwa and he has a team of experts who would supply his information cannals. But the last word will be said by him.

I only edited a spelling error and you still are not answering my question unless your comments are an insinuation that my life would indeed be in jeopardy unless I had the blessing of the Marja Taghlid.

Where did the Marja Taghlid get his authority? Are you or I answerable to the Marja Taghlid or to Allah?

[wuapinmon]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

And what you do with women in stadiums?? Ok. i really dont want to know.

We let them use their divinely-appointed (even in your faith Abu Hanifa affirms human qabar in the face of God's jabr) free will to do what they want to do. If they want to sit and watch the ballgame, fine. If they want to buy a beer and drink a little, fine. It's their choice, not governed by the dictates of the beliefs of those around them. So, what do we do with women in stadiums? We enjoy each other's company, and if we're lucky, they'll snuggle up close to us and put their heads on our shoulders and we'll feel a bond that makes life sweet.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by tooblue

I only edited a spelling error and you still are not answering my question unless your comments are an insinuation that my life would indeed be in jeopardy unless I had the blessing of the Marja Taghlid.

Where did the Marja Taghlid get his authority? Are you or I answerable to the Marja Taghlid or to Allah?

Since, seemingly, you have no plan to articulate your question in a way that we could actually have this..let's say,a little reunion, in here going on...thus i would assume you were looking for an answer which would fit your agenda in order to condemn muslims outburst which happen to be authorized by religious leaders.

I dont,however, condone this behavior, but i also dont condemn the reaction people would give when they realize their beliefs have been scruvily trashed by people whom would face no accountability neither have fear for the consequences of their deeds/words, thanks to the Giant political back up.

So Muslims get to guard thier faith in thier own way, which doesnot often sound quite pleasent for a western taste.

Muslims all around the world have come to acknowledge the fact that isnot a manifestion of art or free speech but rather a religious desensitization process which is holding higher political aims.

Marja Taghlid is the one who is responsible to alert and educate people on the matter to come up with a proper tactic to defend thier faith which isnot necessarily violent, at least not in Shia branch of Islam. The more educated people get the less they would want to try irrational approaches to protect thier religious interest.

So now if you are still asking "the question" of what would be your life like if you portray (assuming an offensive picture??) of prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him)? i would say, you better get a place to hide, becuase its what you get when you mess up with Muslims.

But seriously,i have no idea what kinda picture you were trying to draw,to be honest. Does any one?

[MikeWaters]

Seriously, we are right here.

Come try to kill us, in the name of your "religion of peace."

See what happens.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

I dont,however, condone this behavior, but i also dont condemn the reaction people would give when they realize their beliefs have been scruvily trashed by people whom would face no accountability neither have fear for the consequences of their deeds/words, thanks to the Giant political back up.

So Muslims get to guard thier faith in thier own way, which doesnot often sound quite pleasent for a western taste.

Muslims all around the world have come to acknowledge the fact that isnot a manifestion of art or free speech but rather a religious desensitization process which is holding higher political aims.

Marja Taghlid is the one who is responsible to alert and educate people on the matter to come up with a proper tactic to defend thier faith which isnot necessarily violent, at least not in Shia branch of Islam. The more educated people get the less they would want to try irrational approaches to protect thier religious interest.

Why don't you condemn the violent acts?

Isn't that what being an educated, intellectual is about, to denounce irrational and distasteful acts by even our own?

If religion is strong enough to matter, it is strong enough to withstand hateful acts, bad press and distortion. Any religious movement that has to resort to violence loses its legitimacy.

We're not living in the sixth, seventh or even eleventh centuries, shouldn't we rise up out of darkness and walk forth into the light of enlightenment?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Why don't you condemn the violent acts?

Isn't that what being an educated, intellectual is about, to denounce irrational and distasteful acts by even our own?

If religion is strong enough to matter, it is strong enough to withstand hateful acts, bad press and distortion. Any religious movement that has to resort to violence loses its legitimacy.

We're not living in the sixth, seventh or even eleventh centuries, shouldn't we rise up out of darkness and walk forth into the light of enlightenment?

So why don't you condemn the acts which have been done in the name of art and free speech to begin with? So you don't have to deal with the consequences. There is a poster on CUF who even called to support a day of drawing Prophet Mohammad in solidarity with someone who has now apologized. What sort of intellectual concern has shadowed these appaling actions? You want an intellectually fit behavior? act like the one.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Seriously, we are right here.

Come try to kill us, in the name of your "religion of peace."

See what happens.

Yeah, as a country who has the best mass murder machine,let see what else you could screw up with beside Iraq and Afghanistan.

[MikeWaters]

We may screw up Iran pretty nicely. But with any luck, no invasion. Just bomb it into the stone age.

Is that what you want? So satirists don't draw pictures of your prophet?

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

We may screw up Iran pretty nicely. But with any luck, no invasion. Just bomb it into the stone age.

Is that what you want? So satirists don't draw pictures of your prophet?

Please do without further ado.