Interesting announcement in Priesthood

[ute4ever]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I do not hate illegals and never have. I am not opposed to some form of amnesty. And I LOVE taco stands in East LA. yum!

I hate that the illegals haven't made their way to Memphis. And it's unfortunate that just about every person who works in the food industry in Memphis has been taught to hate white people.

[Archaea]

There is no sensible way to account for the undocumenteds without some form of amnesty and then a workable program to have sensible immigration. However, that would require coordination and neither party will have that.

In a sense, I can't see the Church taking any other position other than one of love and understanding.

[exUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I don't hate the illegal aliens that are here to work. I hate the companies that hire them, but I understand what kind of an economic effect it would have if the illegals were rounded up and deported.

I do hate the illegals that commit crimes.

that live off of us taxpayers. Pay your own way; welcome to those who are already here. BTW.........40% of the 'uninsured' are non-citizens. So this universal healthcare theory will further support them without any of their skin in the game.

Stop future incursions though.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

I don't see it as an issue of hate. It's more an issue of allowing for a structured and controlled manner of immigration. It costs California a lot of money to deal with illegal immigrants. The U.S. has passed laws (which are not being enforced) which provide for orderly immigration - which I am 100% in favor of.

The real issue is that illegal immigrants provide very low-cost labor for businesses, and the current administration is completely in bed with business interests. That's why the immigration laws aren't being enforced - the special interest business lobby.

Agreed. Wanting immigration laws enforced does not equal hatred.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I do hate the illegals that commit crimes.

A huge problem. Illegal immigrants are committing a grossly disproportionate amount of crime in this country. It's certainly true in Utah, where the illegal immigrant crime has really degraded the quality of life in many areas of the SL Valley.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

I don't see it as an issue of hate. It's more an issue of allowing for a structured and controlled manner of immigration. It costs California a lot of money to deal with illegal immigrants. The U.S. has passed laws (which are not being enforced) which provide for orderly immigration - which I am 100% in favor of.

The real issue is that illegal immigrants provide very low-cost labor for businesses, and the current administration is completely in bed with business interests. That's why the immigration laws aren't being enforced - the special interest business lobby.

I agree 100%. Very well-said.

(Sorry for hurting your position, SoCal.)

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by surfah33

They have fake SS cards. They all do. Serving a Spanish speaking mission stateside will open up your eyes to all kinds of stuff.

Well, many of them do anyway. There are also many that work for cash wages and never use a fake number. However, the notion that Illegals pay no taxes is false in many instances because illegals never claim a return on the withholdings that their fake social security numbers generate. These illegals with fake social security numbers pay medicare, social security and have income taxes withheld. The companies that hire these people with fake social seurity numbers pay the employer portion as well.

[Flystripper]

Originally Posted by Venkman

A huge problem. Illegal immigrants are committing a grossly disproportionate amount of crime in this country. It's certainly true in Utah, where the illegal immigrant crime has really degraded the quality of life in many areas of the SL Valley.

Maybe this is true in slc, I have no idea, but this is not true in SoCal. The majority of crimes are committed by low income minorities but not overwhelmingly illegal minorities.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Venkman

A huge problem. Illegal immigrants are committing a grossly disproportionate amount of crime in this country. It's certainly true in Utah, where the illegal immigrant crime has really degraded the quality of life in many areas of the SL Valley.

Is this really true? Are there statistics somewhere to bears this out? I am not saying it is NOT true, just wondering if someone has done a study on this.

[marsupial]

Originally Posted by ute4ever

I hate that the illegals haven't made their way to Memphis. And it's unfortunate that just about every person who works in the food industry in Memphis has been taught to hate white people.

There's a pretty good taco place on Summer ave. between White Station and Mendenhall. I don't remember the name and I don't know if the owners are legal or illegal but the food was good and cheap and we were always the only non Spanish speakers there.