11-10-2008, 11:20 PM | #11 |
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So, which press release is the true one?
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Before you hurt yourself slapping your own back, read it again and more carefully. First, it says the church only objects to conveyance of all rights of marriage, although it identifies adoption as a key rigth that they would keep with marriage alone. IOW, if you take a marriage and call it a union, then they object. But if you make a union that is somethign less than marriage (i.e. no adoption rights) then it may be fine. The quotation I offered, which is more recent, identifies certain rights to which they do not object being given to civil unions. These differences, btw, are why I said "Not exactly" in my post. Can you wrap your head around any of that?
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What you are saying is different than what Waters asserted. You are saying that the church doesn't oppose granting SOME rights and/or privileges to gay couples. That is also true (although the church's press release includes language that creates an exemption for where those rights infringe on the integrity of the traditional family or the constitutional rights of churches, whatever that is supposed to mean), but only insofar as the union doesn't grant ALL of the rights and/or privileges. In short, I think the church's position is fairly summed up as this: 1. Unions which are the legal equivalent of marriage are wrong. 2. Some rights and/or privileges may be appropriately granted, including a handful mentioned in the church's press release, all subject to the church's determination in any instance that granting any rights (including those mentioned in the church's press release), may not actually be appropriate. I think the church's position on #1 is clear. The church has effectively taken no helpful position with respect to guidance on #2. |
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If the church were to actually try and roll back those rights that already exist, which it opposes, wow, what an undertaking. When/if this church becomes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Straights, there will be many that will have a difficult time with it, both members and non-members. Perhaps there are moderate voices which might see this course as suicide for the church. Or rather, suicide for a church that includes people more liberal than exUte and NorCal. |
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11-11-2008, 03:56 AM | #20 |
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Equality Utah is taking some of the words used by church officials in an attempt to get church support for a Gay Bill of Rights. This one will be fun to watch.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10949324 |
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