Just ranting but why can't the Dems

[Archaea]

ever nominate a moderate?

Just once, in my lifetime, I'd like to see a moderate national Democratic candidate.

If I had my twenty million, I'd set up shop in Monaco and say hasta la vista baby.

Do Americans really wish for the most inefficient instrument, government, to intervene into so many arenas?

Have we become that lazy and disillusioned in market systems?

If by some miracle the Dems lose, which I'm not predicting, maybe then we could have a moderate for just once. Otherwise we could see a decade of socialization and a downturn in the economy.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by Archaea

ever nominate a moderate?

Just once, in my lifetime, I'd like to see a moderate national Democratic candidate.

If I had my twenty million, I'd set up shop in Monaco and say hasta la vista baby.

Do Americans really wish for the most inefficient instrument, government, to intervene into so many arenas?

Have we become that lazy and disillusioned in market systems?

If by some miracle the Dems lose, which I'm not predicting, maybe then we could have a moderate for just once. Otherwise we could see a decade of socialization and a downturn in the economy.

Bill CLinton? You did not think he was moderate? He coopted half the Republicans platform which is one of the reasons he was so reviled by them.

Also, you did not notice that for 28 of the last 40 years we have had Republican presidents? The public has clearly moved to the right, especially in the last 30 years.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Bill CLinton? You did not think he was moderate? He coopted half the Republicans platform which is one of the reasons he was so reviled by them.

Bill Clinton was a pure politician. He was whatever he needed to be to get elected. But a moderate he isn't. He's as far to the left as his wife.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Bill Clinton was a pure politician. He was whatever he needed to be to get elected. But a moderate he isn't. He's as far to the left as his wife.

Hillary is pretty moderate. Dennis Kucinich is far left. Barack Obama is farther left than Hillary. Not that it will make you hate despise her any less, but she is far from a super liberal.

As a matter of fact, most of my liberal friends won't support her because they say she is not nearly liberal enough.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Bill CLinton? You did not think he was moderate? He coopted half the Republicans platform which is one of the reasons he was so reviled by them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangu...%28politics%29

Clinton was brilliant.

[woot]

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Hillary is pretty moderate. Dennis Kucinich is far left. Barack Obama is farther left than Hillary. Not that it will make you hate despise her any less, but she is far from a super liberal.

As a matter of fact, most of my liberal friends won't support her because they say she is not nearly liberal enough.

I keep telling people that Hillary is basically the same person as Rudy except she isn't quite as bloodthirsty and spends a little bit more time in girls' clothing. I'm not sure where exactly her far-left reputation is coming from.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

I keep telling people that Hillary is basically the same person as Rudy except she isn't quite as bloodthirsty and spends a little bit more time in girls' clothing. I'm not sure where exactly her far-left reputation is coming from.

The fact that she associates with the fringe left wings at moveon.org and daily kos is proof that she's nowhere near being a moderate.

Like her husband, she is a pure politician. That isn't a compliment nor is it an admirable trait.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by Detroitdad

Hillary is pretty moderate. Dennis Kucinich is far left. Barack Obama is farther left than Hillary. Not that it will make you hate despise her any less, but she is far from a super liberal.

As a matter of fact, most of my liberal friends won't support her because they say she is not nearly liberal enough.

Hillary is a hardcore leftist and has been since the 60's. To have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected she covers her socialist core with a thin veneer of moderation. If she fools enough people (with the media's help), she'll be elected.

Kucinich's insane foreign policy aside, from a domestic policy standpoint there's probably little difference between him and Clinton (and most democrats). He's considered far left only because he's honest. Proof positive was the recent candidate quiz and how many "moderate" CGers agreed with him on most stuff.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

The fact that she associates with the fringe left wings at moveon.org and daily kos is proof that she's nowhere near being a moderate.

Like her husband, she is a pure politician. That isn't a compliment nor is it an admirable trait.

Amen. That's why conservatives hate them. It has nothing to do with this triangulation b.s.

[Detroitdad]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Bill Clinton was a pure politician. He was whatever he needed to be to get elected. But a moderate he isn't. He's as far to the left as his wife.

Doing what it takes to get elected kind of means doing the will of the people who elected you to some degree does it not?

As for moveon.org and daily kos...politics in a two party system necessitates a large tent, should one disassociate from all elements of one's base? Twould be pure foolishness. That is why we see the dean of Bob Jones Uniersity endorsing Romney, even though we all probably believe that neither of the men is particularly fond of one another.