Is green tea against the WOW in all countries?

[NorCal Cat]

Originally Posted by scottie

Oh, he gets plenty of room from me. I was just responding to KiteRider's "rationalizing" post. Why is someone having a different interpretation of the WOW referred to as "rationalizing" by so many in the church? (a pet-peeve of mine)

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Drinking coffee is not "having a different interpretation." It is breaking the WofW. I'm not sure how your SP remains an SP, if he is drinking coffee every day.

[scottie]

Originally Posted by NorCal Cat

Drinking coffee is not "having a different interpretation." It is breaking the WofW. I'm not sure how your SP remains an SP, if he is drinking coffee every day.

How is determining that 1) a frappuccino is not a hot drink (it's a cold drink) and that 2) the D&C says nothing about "coffee" not "having a different interpretation"?

He's not my SP (like I said, I work with the guy), but why wouldn't he remain a SP? Go back and read UtahDan's posts on page 4 of this thread.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

I would also add that I don't really care if members drink tea, coffee, beer, or appletinis. Part of the sickness in the culture of the church is that we tend to judge each other for our shortcomings rather than build each other up. Dealing with our sins carries too heavy a social price, so the church culture inadvertently encourages people to act against their soul's best interest.

Personally, I hope the WOW is eventually reverted back to its former status as 'good advice from your Heavenly Father.' I think there is nothing about drinking coffee that should disqualify a person from serving honorably in leadership positions in the church, but we aren't there yet, and anyone that pretends otherwise is willfully misinterpreting the words of the living prophets.

Boy, you are all over the map on this one. Remember this post?

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...6&postcount=17

So, which is it?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

Green teas comes from the exact same plants as black teas, except the leaves have not been allowed to oxidize as much as the black variants.

People who rationalize that green tea is okay are using the same logic as some LDS I know that rationalize that iced-coffee is not a 'hot drink.'

Who says iced coffee is a hot drink? Is that Mormon logic?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

Green teas comes from the exact same plants as black teas, except the leaves have not been allowed to oxidize as much as the black variants.

People who rationalize that green tea is okay are using the same logic as some LDS I know that rationalize that iced-coffee is not a 'hot drink.'

Do you eat meat in the summer?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by KiteRider

I try not to eat very much meat at all, ever.

You are a better man (woman?) than me.

How are you doing with barley, rye, oats, etc.?

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I was asked if it was against the WoW yesterday by a member.

I know it is against the WoW in Japan. I heard from a friend who went on a mission to S. Korea, that it is not against the WoW there.

When I was kid and we went to chinese restaraunts my mom always got green tea.

OTOH my mother also drinks coffee for her "asthma"

[Sleeping in EQ]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I was asked if it was against the WoW yesterday by a member.

I know it is against the WoW in Japan. I heard from a friend who went on a mission to S. Korea, that it is not against the WoW there.

Yes. I don't know the reasoning in S. Korea, but green tea is made from camellia sinensis, the same plant that black, oolong, and white tea come from.

Green tea is not an herbal tea or "tisane," which are "teas" made from any plant other than camellia sinensis (and which are not against the WoW's conventional prescription against tea).

At least if we go by conventional understanding, healthiness is not the measurement. If it were, we wouldn't be eating most of the crud from the grocery store in the name of the WoW.

An argument could be made from D&C 89 that the prescription against hot drinks is about healthiness (in that hot drinks are not for the body or the belly), but this would be going against convention (which unequivocably prescribes against coffee and tea and leaves individual members to sort out the relationship between spiritual and physical benefits on their own, or to wrestle with the diverse statements of leaders and varioius common interpretations).

One could also argue that the vagueness in this area is deliberate. The TR question is simply, "Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?" There isn't the same specificity in this question as there was when as a missionary I listed "alcohol, tobacco, coffee, tea, and harmful drugs" in the fourth lesson.

[Spaz]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I was asked if it was against the WoW yesterday by a member.

I know it is against the WoW in Japan. I heard from a friend who went on a mission to S. Korea, that it is not against the WoW there.

Actually, while I was in Korea (96-98), the Area President asked that the missionaries stop drinking it. The reasoning behind it was that some members were offended that missionaries were breaking the WoW, not that it was against the WoW.

Great stuff, btw. I loved it. MUCH better than the pumpkin tea. I had to switch to orange-peel tea instead, which was MUCH more sugary and I didn't enjoy as much.

[splitbamboo]

It was on the list of five "bad" teas we taught when I was a missionary in Japan in the early 80s. "Ocha, cocha... " I forget the rest.

We drank a lot of mugicha. Kind of an acquired taste (wheat tea).