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RockyBalboa · 07-27-2007, 08:52 PM

I love the liberal argument that we are born into sin, and never had a choice in the matter to begin with.

The whole...that's just the way it is argument and there's nothing they can do it about it argument. Such compelling stuff.

What a load of horseshit.

Archaea · 07-27-2007, 08:52 PM

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I think it's a bit of a cop-out. I wouldn't say he's absolutely wrong, because I guess that it is something that should (according to LDS doctrince) be controlled. But I think the answer gives short shrift to the true scope of the trial an LDS homosexual faces.

Let's face it, if you are homosexually oriented to a point where you cannot maintain a heterosexual relationship, have a strong libido, what does the LDS Church have to offer?

First point, I don't believe homosexuality is binary, "you are or you aren't", but it appears to be a spectrum analysis of a complex set of orientations.

Second point, if you wish to act upon your sexuality, I can't see any reconciliation possible within the three religions of the Book. Do you want a "Don't Look, Don't Tell" policy?

My advice would probably be, and nobody is likely to ask for it, if you're certain your predominant sexual orientations are homosexual, leave and find happiness in whatever you can, but avoid religion. Find it in art, nature, and whatever.

How could I compare the restraint issue to something completely alien? Apparently, a gay can get aroused by a female, as a number have children with women, so I don't quite get it. They can but don't want to.

What do we have to offer such a person? I can't see anything.

Jeff Lebowski · 07-27-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I love the liberal argument that we are born into sin.

Care to elaborate?

RockyBalboa · 07-27-2007, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Care to elaborate?

Yeah...I don't believe that a person is born devoid of choice in regards to their sexual preference.

It's 100% pure bullshit. The biggest justification of convenience for that kind of behavior ever perpetrated by Lucifer. Shows just how easy it is for him to put bullshit it peoples heads and then let the others run with it. Let's keep on justification abhorrent behavior and turn it into a politically correct form of communication so that anyone who argues against it is branded a bigot and close minded. I honestly have a hard time finding fewer things that have been woven with a web of deception to justify that more than this issue. Certainly a sign of the times. And I don't mean in a progressive way either.

People who believe that choice have been taken away from them in that regard are irresponsible, unaccountable and have been duped.

MikeWaters · 07-27-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

I love the liberal argument that we are born into sin, and never had a choice in the matter to begin with.

The whole...that's just the way it is argument and there's nothing they can do it about it argument. Such compelling stuff.

What a load of horseshit.

So if you are truly born into it, then it is not a sin, because infants are sinless?

Right?

RockyBalboa · 07-27-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So if you are truly born into it, then it is not a sin, because infants are sinless?

Right?

My point is you aren't truly born into homosexuality. Thought that was pretty clear. And yes I see the reverse psychological ploy you're trying here and it's not going to work.

MikeWaters · 07-27-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

My point is you aren't truly born into homosexuality. Thought that was pretty clear. And yes I see the reverse psychological ploy you're trying here and it's not going to work.

I'm asking you a question. IF they were born into it, then it would not be a sin, right?

RockyBalboa · 07-27-2007, 09:02 PM

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I'm asking you a question. IF they were born into it, then it would not be a sin, right?

But they aren't born into homosexuality. I already answered the question. Makes your question moot.

SoCalCoug · 07-27-2007, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

But they aren't born into homosexuality. I already answered the question. Makes your question moot.

Based on your own scientific study? Or has that question been decided somewhere that I'm not aware of?

Indy Coug · 07-27-2007, 09:07 PM

Whether or not being gay is inborn, homosexual sex is still a sin. The source of the desire to sin is irrelevant.

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RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	I love the liberal argument that we are born into sin, and never had a choice in the matter to begin with. The whole...that's just the way it is argument and there's nothing they can do it about it argument. Such compelling stuff. What a load of horseshit. __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

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Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	Whether or not being gay is inborn, homosexual sex is still a sin. The source of the desire to sin is irrelevant. Last edited by Indy Coug; 07-27-2007 at 09:09 PM. Reason: Clarity