Modern day apostacy - how would we know?

[Indy Coug]

At what stage do you believe President Monson is?

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

At what stage do you believe President Monson is?

No idea.

Sorry for the "dodge". I'm just not as interested as you are in determining others' status before God.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

No idea.

Sorry for the "dodge". I'm just not as interested as you are in determining others' status before God.

So just to be clear, you're comfortable assigning faith stages to me and Tex, but not President Monson?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So just to be clear, you're comfortable assigning faith stages to me and Tex, but not President Monson?

In all fairness, he is more familiar with your views than President Monson's, as Pres. Monson sticks to a pretty tight script.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

In all fairness, he is more familiar with your views than President Monson's, as Pres. Monson sticks to a pretty tight script.

All he has done is created a strawman out of me and lazily assigned mischaracterizations of my views.

Assuming that President Monson's teachings, or any other prophet for that matter, are an accurate reflection of their own stage of faith, then what stage of faith most accurately characterizes those teachings?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

All he has done is created a strawman out of me and lazily assigned mischaracterizations of my views.

Assuming that President Monson's teachings, or any other prophet for that matter, are an accurate reflection of their own stage of faith, then what stage of faith most accurately characterizes those teachings?

"Stage IV" is the new "Mullah"

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

All he has done is created a strawman out of me and lazily assigned mischaracterizations of my views.

Assuming that President Monson's teachings, or any other prophet for that matter, are an accurate reflection of their own stage of faith, then what stage of faith most accurately characterizes those teachings?

The specifics of the opinions are much less indicative of the stage than how you characterize those whose opinions differ from yours.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So just to be clear, you're comfortable assigning faith stages to me and Tex, but not President Monson?

"Just to be clear", I was about to jump in earlier when the topic was brought up and say that I wasn't convinced we could assign faith stages to people, only to have Tex link to postmormon.org, which is one of the specific examples of Stage III behavior outlined in the book--Stage III's tend to think anyone in stage IV is apostate. I just couldn't let the irony and its timing sit.

Now I'm done. This is a stupid discussion, and I feel the worse for taking part in it.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by ERCougar

"Just to be clear", I was about to jump in earlier when the topic was brought up and say that I wasn't convinced we could assign faith stages to people, only to have Tex link to postmormon.org, which is one of the specific examples of Stage III behavior outlined in the book--Stage III's tend to think anyone in stage IV is apostate. I just couldn't let the irony and its timing sit.

Now I'm done. This is a stupid discussion, and I feel the worse for taking part in it.

Apostates, maybe. Condescending jerks, certainly.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by Tex

Apostates, maybe. Condescending jerks, certainly.

I agree that it comes across as condescending. You'll notice that I wasn't the one to bring it up first. I was about to defend you when you made the derisive postmormon.org link, a link to a group that wishes you no ill, but is merely following what they believe is truth, often at sacrifice of family and friends. While I don't agree with them, I think that kind of commitment to truth-seeking is admirable. So I couldn't resist the irony of it all. I'm sorry.