This Anti-Beck crap is ridiculously hilarious

[Venkman]

The true blue mullahs seem to think you're anti-Beck if you don't think he's as good as Detmer, Young, Sark.

Beck is good, but he hasn't shown me that he's a winner. Props to him for getting BYU back in the Ute game, but he didn't produce a score on the last two drives. The Ute defense does deserve alot of credit, and I don't blame Beck for the loss, but he had two (actually three if you count OT) chances to be the hero and he couldn't deliver.

But he is good and he's the best we've got and I think he'll continue to improve.

[realtall]

Originally Posted by Venkman

The true blue mullahs seem to think you're anti-Beck if you don't think he's as good as Detmer, Young, Sark.

Beck is good, but he hasn't shown me that he's a winner. Props to him for getting BYU back in the Ute game, but he didn't produce a score on the last two drives. The Ute defense does deserve alot of credit, and I don't blame Beck for the loss, but he had two (actually three if you count OT) chances to be the hero and he couldn't deliver.

But he is good and he's the best we've got and I think he'll continue to improve.

I remember after the bowl game, several Cal fans came onto cb and were saying things like, 'if only WE has a qb like Beck.' I think that Beck, while not in the league with the BYU greats, is underrated by many cougar fans.

Some argue that he doesn't have the 'intangibles.' If by intangibles they mean cornerbacks and a consistant running game then I agree with them.

The yewtah game was a tale of two halfs. In the first half, the cougar offense just had no clue; the line was playing absolutely horribly. But Beck's the one that didn't throw the td passes so that's that's where we all point.

I think that Beck is a good quarterback who has a chance to be great if a better team is assembled for him to work with.

[Venkman]

Originally Posted by realtall

I remember after the bowl game, several Cal fans came onto cb and were saying things like, 'if only WE has a qb like Beck.' I think that Beck, while not in the league with the BYU greats, is underrated by many cougar fans.

Some argue that he doesn't have the 'intangibles.' If by intangibles they mean cornerbacks and a consistant running game then I agree with them.

The yewtah game was a tale of two halfs. In the first half, the cougar offense just had no clue; the line was playing absolutely horribly. But Beck's the one that didn't throw the td passes so that's that's where we all point.

I think that Beck is a good quarterback who has a chance to be great if a better team is assembled for him to work with.

But we rarely have mean cornerbacks and a consistent running game. That's why QB is so important to BYU. It's THE key. (yes I know the D was especially horrible last year)

I think Beck is good and could be great. I just think it's funny that I'm considered anti-Beck by some people because I don't think he's proven he's in the same league as "the greats".

Great quarterbacks win, period. Maybe it's not their fault they lost, but that's just how it is. I sure as hell hope he wins alot this year.

[Archaea]

Make the extra play.

He doesn't do that.

[realtall]

Originally Posted by Venkman

But we rarely have mean cornerbacks and a consistent running game. That's why QB is so important to BYU. It's THE key. (yes I know the D was especially horrible last year)

I think Beck is good and could be great. I just think it's funny that I'm considered anti-Beck by some people because I don't think he's proven he's in the same league as "the greats".

Great quarterbacks win, period. Maybe it's not their fault they lost, but that's just how it is. I sure as hell hope he wins alot this year.

The cbs and the running game were only part of it.

Great quarterbacks only win if they have something to work with. It can be no other way. Of course, it can be argued that a qb doesn't become great until he wins. On the other hand, neither does the team become great until they win.

Another way of putting it is that the team needs to be properly assembeld in order for the qb to become great(at least in a given system). Otherwise he's just a very talented kid who's not productive.

Sorry if I seem somewhat obtuse. What you believe really comes down to what you think 'great' means. I don't always equate that with winning a ballgame. I would call that a winning qb(as opposed to a whining qb - that would be Jeff George). If winning=great than I guess that we could put Trent Dilfer in there - he won a Super Bowl didn't he?

Here are some names. See if you can tell what they all have in common:

Matt Mauck
Craig Krenzel
Tee Martin



They're all the starting qb of a team that won a national championship in the last few years. Does that make them great? Or were they great because they just happened to be on a great team? I don't know but if the only definition is that they just win then it leaves room for a whole lot of mediocre qbs to slip in that category.



It just occured to me that this whole post is pointless. So never mind.


Frankly, I'm not really into installing the 'great' or 'not great' labels. I just hope that he does well.

[realtall]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Make the extra play.

He doesn't do that.

Now THAT I might agree with. He's still learning how to do that in difficult circumstances. He's also learning to be consistant. I hope he finishes his learning fast.

[realtall]

Originally Posted by Venkman

I think Beck is good and could be great. I just think it's funny that I'm considered anti-Beck by some people because I don't think he's proven he's in the same league as "the greats".

I agree with your assessment of Beck here.

[Surfah]

I think this whole thing is funny. To be truthful, no matter what Beck's W-L record is, if he had beaten Utah every year he would be one of the greats.

I think Beck is unfairly criticized. The man has had two head coaches, had to learn two very different offensive schemes, and has had to play arguably the toughest schedules of any BYU QB ever. Not to mention as was already pointed out a defense that has sucked ass.

I am hoping he has a big year because he deserves better.

BYU fans just need to take off the blue glasses and realize that this is as good as BYU football will be.

[TheSizzle36]

Originally Posted by Would the REAL trombone PLEASE stand up?

The yewtah game was a tale of two halfs. In the first half, the cougar offense just had no clue; the line was playing absolutely horribly. But Beck's the one that didn't throw the td passes so that's that's where we all point.

Here is where I will disagree. If a team is going to be worth ANYTHING it needs a leader to step up. Somebody who, if the line isn't doing its job will get in their face and bitch them out. Somebody who if a receiver drops an open pass, the quarterback is in his grill. Somebody who his teammates don't want to let down, who has earned their respect so when they get yelled at, they want to do better.

As much as I like Beck, he is not that in-your-face type leader that the team needs IMO, and Beck, by his off the field work ethic has earned that type of respect from his teammates that makes him the leader. He watches more film than anybody else. He is the last one to leave the practice field, usually working on his timing with a receiver on routes that he struggled with during practice. But it's not his personality from what I've seen to be an in your face leader. And so offensively, the team has taken on his personality. A lot of potential, solid most of the time, but prone to mistakes and lapses, and a team that gets tight under pressure.

Beck is very... for lack of better word, he's very business in the way he approcahes the game. It's like it's a job, and he takes it seriously. But there are times when as a QB you need to be having fun, and there are times when as a QB you need to get on a guy. In my 3 years of watching John Beck, I can only remember him really getting on a guy once or twice... even in practice. IMO, I think that for BYU to take it to the next level next season, Beck needs to be more of a motivating/vocal leader, if that makes sense, instead of the leader by example that he is right now.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Make the extra play.

He doesn't do that.

He single handedly beat New Mexico this year, and kept us close against Cal. I agree there are things that Beck does that I question, at times he looks great other times average at best.

For example if he hits Harline on that crossing route against Utah we win that game instead he overthrows him by 5 feet, after looking like the best QB in america for most of the second half.