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[Archaea]

who for example ran 167 miles last week.

We did speed work today, he did about 28; I did 12 miles of speed work.

[Quisqueyano]

Ultra runners are wired wrong.
I remember reading an article about Dean Karmazez(sp). He said he carries a cell phone with him and orders pizza mid run. Tells the delivery guy more or less where he will be. Eats the whole thing while he runs.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Quisqueyano

Ultra runners are wired wrong.
I remember reading an article about Dean Karmazez(sp). He said he carries a cell phone with him and orders pizza mid run. Tells the delivery guy more or less where he will be. Eats the whole thing while he runs.

I read an article about him in which he described hallucinations about food during his runs. He said he reaches a point where it seems perfectly normal for him to be jogging alongside a talking hamburger.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

I read an article about him in which he described hallucinations about food during his runs. He said he reaches a point where it seems perfectly normal for him to be jogging alongside a talking hamburger.

So what's wrong with that? I suppose you've never had a conversation with a Big Mac?

[Archaea]

My friend knows Dean Karnasas (sp?) and he has spoken of the delusions occuring after sleep deprivations and horrific workouts.

I hate running when I talk to these guys.

[Quisqueyano]

Originally Posted by SteelBlue

I read an article about him in which he described hallucinations about food during his runs. He said he reaches a point where it seems perfectly normal for him to be jogging alongside a talking hamburger.

I think we read the same thing. Runners world last summer I think.
What kills me is there is a woman that consitstently kicks his butt.
With that said, I am going running.Back in a while.

[SteelBlue]

Originally Posted by Quisqueyano

I think we read the same thing. Runners world last summer I think.
What kills me is there is a woman that consitstently kicks his butt.
With that said, I am going running.Back in a while.

I think women are the best ultra runners because they have a higher body fat.

[Quisqueyano]

back to the fueling topic.
I just dod an 8 mile run. I ran along Wasatch. If you are familiar with it, you know there are lots of hills.
Here is what i have eaten today:
A banana
A protein bar
90 minutes before the run, a power bar
30 minutes in, a tube of GU.
Even at that, I had some tomach issues. But I felt pretty good. By mile 7, I was feeling hungry.
I have had another protein bar and a banana since the run.
I only share this so you know how tricky it is for me to get the right combinations. I basically need to run on an empty stomach or I am miserable.

[creekster]

The farthest I have ever run is ~7 miles (If any of you are familiar, it was the Bay to breakers in SF) so fueling was not an issue.

On bikes, I usually have no probelm as long as it is 40 miles or less. For centuries, or longer rides, I like to nibble. I usually have 1/2 a powerbar just before I start and then take a bite or two of a bar every 10-15 miles. If it is a century, there is usually a lunch or food stop somewhere in the middle where I get something else.

For me the key seems ot be slow and steady consumption. When I have bonked, I bonk hard and it is really unpleasant. Once, when younger and stupid, I was about 45 miles into a ride I had started in the morning without breakfast and bringing nothing but a little water. I was oging up a rather small hill and I bonked hard. It was so bad I had to stop, get off the bike and sit down on the side of the road for about 20 minutes to let my body catch up. Even then I was wasted for a while.

[Archaea]

but then again I once did a century on one bottle and no food, so mile 90 was extraordinarily unpleasant.

Last year, Tour de Tucson was so bad at mile 100, old fat guys passed. I was out of shape and raced it until I bonked. It was unpleasant. Then again there was our Tour de Fire at mile 80 but somehow I recovered and finished the whole 138, with my buddy bonking. In Tucson I went from a 24 mph average to a 10 mph where I wanted to walk in. I went from sub 5 hour to a 5 hour 30 because I was dead to the world.

With that stated, I don't need water or food for less than ten miles. It's too short a distance for the effects of food and water to come into play.

This morning was 13 miles, including warm up and warm down, and those matters didn't matter. They mattered later on now during the day.

And they matter at the end of a triathlon, so eating on the bike is essential but I sense that Perpetuum may solve my nutritional needs. The main thing occurring for me is a power outage and then total lack of energy.

However, for most activities under two hours I don't need anything. After three hours it becomes essential.