Creationism vs. Evolution: "...after its own kind"

[Archaea]

I see a symbolic importance, knowing that species develop and procreate together, each usually with a mate of opposite sex. To me, it's a representation of the joinder of male and female, not a depiction of the scientific process used to populate the earth.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ

You can't square the Genesis accounts (and there are two) with science. You have plants growing on the earth before there's a sun.

Indeed. It goes far beyond a "translation error".

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Why do the scriptures repeatedly use this phrase, especially in light of the fact that this phrase is pre-Darwinian?

Genesis/PoGP is not about the creation of the earth or humans.

It's a magnificent allegory on the meaning of life.
Phrases can have many meanings. The symbolism is as deep as you can dig.
There is a reason why this stuff is in the temple, where the mysteries of godliness are to be revealed. -stuff we weren't prepared to understand primary, which is where you learn about the genesis story.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Going back to the actual topic at hand, why does the Bible and Pearl of Great Price repeatedly use the phrase "after [its/his/their] own kind"?

well, symbolically, what could that mean?
It could mean an awful lot of things besides only llamas getting it on with llamas.

What do the plants represent? What do the animals? What does it mean for them to multiply?
Maybe the animals are a representation of a certain part of mankind, and that component increases.

What is the symbolism in the animals and plants being able to reproduce before the human could?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Brian

well, symbolically, what could that mean?
It could mean an awful lot of things besides only llamas getting it on with llamas.

What do the plants represent? What do the animals? What does it mean for them to multiply?
Maybe the animals are a representation of a certain part of mankind, and that component increases.

What is the symbolism in the animals and plants being able to reproduce before the human could?

I'd love to sit around listening to Brian, SIEQ, Pelagius, and Jeff discuss the potential allegorical meanings of this stuff.

[Brian]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

We have, what, four real scientists here? Waters, Lebowski, Sooner, and Brian. Any others? I'm sure they all believe in the mainstream science view of evolution. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

i accept evolution and don't see any theological problems with it.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Brian

well, symbolically, what could that mean?
It could mean an awful lot of things besides only llamas getting it on with llamas.

What do the plants represent? What do the animals? What does it mean for them to multiply?
Maybe the animals are a representation of a certain part of mankind, and that component increases.

What is the symbolism in the animals and plants being able to reproduce before the human could?

It could mean one of many things. One of the things it could possibly mean is a reference to micro vs macro evolution.

Undoubtedly, God created life in stages, most of which, if not all, pre-dates mankind. The question revolves around whether or not man is the eventual offspring of single-celled life or whether or not life forms are more limited in their range of evolutionary possibilities.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

It could mean one of many things. One of the things it could possibly mean is a reference to micro vs macro evolution.

Undoubtedly, God created life in stages, most of which pre-dates mankind. The question revolves around whether or not man is the eventual offspring of single-celled life or whether or not life forms are more limited in their range of evolutionary possibilities.

My first question, Indy:

Are the scriptures written to give us science lessons or for moral and spiritual instruction?

If you conclude as I do, that they are never designed for scientific purposes, then you should conclude that the details of scientific processes may not be exact or even correct, as it is perfectly possible to simply use an analogy to teach a spiritual point.

So what is the spiritual purpose, or purposes of Genesis creation account?

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Brian

i accept evolution and don't see any theological problems with it.

Nor do I as a nonscientist, attorney, with nothing in science but an unfettered opinion.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Brian

i accept evolution and don't see any theological problems with it.

ditto.