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View Poll Results: If you found out that the Golden Plates never existed, would you still be a Mormon? | |||
Yes, the literalness of Joseph Smith's claims don't matter to me. | 4 | 14.29% | |
Yes, but it would change the way I view the Church. | 9 | 32.14% | |
No, I couldn't accept the Church as true in such a scenario. | 10 | 35.71% | |
I'm not a Mormon. | 5 | 17.86% | |
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09-14-2007, 07:48 PM | #31 |
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"I [Joseph Smith] have translated a portion of them, and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth" (DHC 5:372).
--From the Journal of William Clayton People have disputed the validity of this statement, but only because Clayton wrote it and not Smith. But he was citing smith when he wrote it and we have no reason to think it was made up. I don't think any of this translation was ever published by the church though. |
09-14-2007, 07:48 PM | #32 |
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Very quickly: do we have a solid time frame for the Jaredites? Certainly there is ample archaeological evidence of mammoths in the Americas.
Cumoms, cureloms? http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/9/19#19 That's a very weak peg to hang your hat on as far as disputing historical issues with the Book of Mormon. |
09-14-2007, 07:49 PM | #33 |
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That was my post. The account was from Hyrum Page.
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09-14-2007, 07:49 PM | #34 | |
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I guess I'm just not ready to worship such an arbitrary being. Perhaps I will be someday, but not today.
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Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!! Religion rises inevitably from our apprehension of our own death. To give meaning to meaninglessness is the endless quest of all religion. When death becomes the center of our consciousness, then religion authentically begins. Of all religions that I know, the one that most vehemently and persuasively defies and denies the reality of death is the original Mormonism of the Prophet, Seer and Revelator, Joseph Smith. Last edited by myboynoah; 09-14-2007 at 07:52 PM. |
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09-14-2007, 07:52 PM | #35 | |
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09-14-2007, 07:53 PM | #36 |
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If nothing else the church has pointed me into a lifestyle that I believe makes me a better person, so I doubt I'd just throw in the towel. I'd probably buy whatever explanation the church leaders came up with. Maybe that makes me a blind follower, but I would have a really hard time being convinced that the BofM isn't inspired text.
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09-14-2007, 07:56 PM | #37 | |
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I don't think it's dishonest to inspire people to believe in something that helps them treat each other better. And I think it's actually a problem for people when they feel like faith in the supernatural must rely on something tangible. Religion is about the supernatural, not the tangible. No religion's scriptures would stand up to solid scrutiny. |
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09-14-2007, 07:56 PM | #38 | |
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If you believe that Joseph and the 11 were liars, and it was a big conspiracy, do you ever ask what else Joseph lied about? Did he lie about the 1st vision? How can you believe in a church that was founded on what you believe are a pack of lies? Point me to the introduction of the Bilble and the Quran that makes the claims that the intro to the Book of Mormon makes. Either the intro is a bunch of lies perpetuated to market the Book of Mormon and convert followers thorugh deception, or the plates actually did exist. Which is it? Last edited by Flystripper; 09-14-2007 at 08:00 PM. |
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09-14-2007, 07:58 PM | #39 | |
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There are ancient man-made structures in the Western Hemisphere which indicates that civilized man lived there extending well into the past, as far back as 10,000-13,000 BC. There has been opinion offered that Adam predates us by 6,000 years, but I have yet to see definitive teachings on this from modern-day prophets. |
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09-14-2007, 07:58 PM | #40 | |
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