Photos from today's protest

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Nice straw man, Tex. Unless I missed something, nobody has claimed the complete absence of a continuum. The argument is about the typical case. To turn your overly simplistic logic around, the very existence of any who say it was not their choice tends to undermine the Absolutist gay-is-a-choice crowd.

Of course it does. I don't know how many of those Absolutist gay-is-a-choice folks post here, but I'm not one of them. The only Absolutist in this conversation is you.

I don't know how you can identify a "typical" case with any objectivity. Please, do enlighten me on what the "typical" gay case is, and explain the parameters of how you've identified exactly why that case is typical.

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

As for your request for "evidence", I gave you a link to an article about a BYU prof. who summarizes research in this area. Why did you not comment on that? But either way, you have already indicated that you are inclined to dismiss such evidence out of hand. Why bother?

Please identify what portion of that article (which I read) answers this question:

Do you have any studies as to how many people say they choose to be gay vs. say they are born that way?

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Tex

The only Absolutist in this conversation is you.

LOL. Such bullshit.

Originally Posted by Tex

I don't know how you can identify a "typical" case with any objectivity. Please, do enlighten me on what the "typical" gay case is, and explain the parameters of how you've identified exactly why that case is typical.

It's just a matter of honestly reviewing the overwhelming body of evidence, Tex. If you want to continue to perform your mental gymnastics, knock yourself out.

Originally Posted by Tex

Please identify what portion of that article (which I read) answers this question:

Come on. The article goes to the heart of the gay-by-choice debate.

I don't know why I bother. I am done with this discussion.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Tex

The only Absolutist in this conversation is you.

Nah, Lebowski's not alone. I like it with orange juice. Cranberry sometimes, too.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Nah, Lebowski's not alone. I like it with orange juice. Cranberry sometimes, too.

gimlets. Yum!

I knew tex was a sexist and a racist. I knew he was a homophobe. I knew he cussed and made sacreligious jokes.

I didnt know he was a drunkard.

I would have pegged tex as a Smirnoff guy, anyway.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

LOL. Such bullshit.

Simple question: Do you believe that some people have chosen to be gay?

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Come on. The article goes to the heart of the gay-by-choice debate.

Another simple question: What is your response to someone who says they have chosen to be gay? "No you didn't"?

I answered your simple questions forthrightly when asked. Let's see if you can return the favor.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I would have pegged tex as a Smirnoff guy, anyway.

Definitely. I'm more of a Skyy girl, myself.

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I don't know that playing Anecdote Poker really gets us anywhere in the conversation. Obviously there are some who claim to have chosen to be gay, and many who claim that it is innate. I don't pretend to know the proportions (which is why I asked for some evidence), but the very existence of any who say it was their choice tends to undermine the Absolutist gay-from-birth crowd.

You've got it backwards. My position allows for there to be both people who are born gay and those who choose to be gay.

I was disputing Cougarobgon's position that in his experience, ALL gays chose to be gay. His position starts with the premise, therefore, that NO homosexuals are gay involuntarily. Therefore, his position is undermined if ANY homosexual is involuntarily gay.

How about you? Do you believe that at least SOME homosexuals are gay from birth, and did not choose to be gay? (Not that I really expect a straightforward answer from you).

[Tex]

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

You've got it backwards. My position allows for there to be both people who are born gay and those who choose to be gay.

You ought to have a chat with Lebowski.

Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

How about you? Do you believe that at least SOME homosexuals are gay from birth, and did not choose to be gay? (Not that I really expect a straightforward answer from you).

Though I'd phrase it differently, yes, I believe such people exist. I would say it more like this: I believe there are some born with the temptation--in varying degrees--to being attracted to the same sex.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Definitely. I'm more of a Skyy girl, myself.

Classy. Only the best.

What, no Rain?

[SoCalCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Though I'd phrase it differently, yes, I believe such people exist. I would say it more like this: I believe there are some born with the temptation--in varying degrees--to being attracted to the same sex.

Is this something based on studies, experience, what? What is your basis for the sliding scale of SSA?