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RockyBalboa · 05-21-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Does she own it outright? I can never keep track of which ones she owns, Macca, MJ, and now Sony Music.

If Yoko owns it, she will sell the rights. That song has been whored out all over the planet. Yoko has to continue to make a buck.

of course, if he does record it, then he will be doing a cover.

To be honest I don't know if she owns it outright.

I would expect that the majority of his first commercial release will be original music aka...Bubble Gum Pop for his demographic... with 1-2 covers thrown in.

TripletDaddy · 05-21-2008, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cougjunkie

I read an article about the original host Brian Dunkelman (and it was verified when I watched him on Celebrity fit club) that these kids are treated pretty much like slaves. They are given a very meager allowance, the first season they were allowed to stay in a nice house, now they stay in apartments that are not real flattering they work 12-15 hours a day, the show makes millions and the kids see none of it. Dunkelman claims that he was not fired from American Idol he quit because of this reason.

Again, this is the price to make it big.

If they had gone the traditional route, they would have had to play a lot of crappy gigs that nobody watches, be their own roadie, sleep in a van, eat mcdonalds, and live on the road for a few years.

no matter which route you take, your first contract always sucks, too.

TripletDaddy · 05-21-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

To be honest I don't know if she owns it outright.

I would expect that the majority of his first commercial release will be original music aka...Bubble Gum Pop for his demographic... with 1-2 covers thrown in.

It appears that she does.

My prediction: she will let him do it. For a fee...which the producers will pay, then take out of David's cut.

Imagine that.

MikeWaters · 05-21-2008, 07:03 PM

He doesn't need permission from Loco Ono.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_324b.html

creekster · 05-21-2008, 07:07 PM

You guys are confusing arrangements with covers.

If someone else performed it and recorded it first and then you sing it, even if you change it around and "make it your own" it is still a cover. You are covering what someone else has done.

If you take a song and change keys and move bits around, maybe a new intro, different tempo or whatever, you are doing a different arrangement of a song, but it is still a cover.

The confusion may come from the term 'cover band' which usually means a band in a bar that plays familiar songs and tries to sound as much like the original as their synths and tape loops will allow.

TripletDaddy · 05-21-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He doesn't need permission from Loco Ono.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_324b.html

Hard to argue with the opinion of Straight Dope...dated 1978.

Sleeping in EQ · 05-21-2008, 07:15 PM

My beef with AI is simple.

While some of these folks can sing (and in various styles), I can't help but wonder: "Where's the songcraft?" "Where's the lyricist?" "Where's a band putting disparate or interesting elements together?"

Simon Cowell would've sneered at Bob Dylan, if Dylan was an up-and-coming nobody.

MikeWaters · 05-21-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Hard to argue with the opinion of Straight Dope...dated 1978.

Hard to argue with a moron.

Flystripper · 05-21-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He doesn't need permission from Loco Ono.

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_324b.html

You don't need permission but you have to pay either way. Until the song enters public domain, the original recording artist can sue for lost royalties and obtain a compulsory license.

TripletDaddy · 05-21-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Hard to argue with a moron.

Moron, the straight dope is misleading. It doesnt even break down what the license will cost, per CD.

If owning the rights to music wasnt so valuable, Paul, yoko, George and Ringo would not have tried to fight so hard with Michael Jackson to maintain those rights.

Do more research before you google a few terms here and there and pretend to know about music. or law. or pop culture.

05-21-2008, 07:07 PM	#75
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	You guys are confusing arrangements with covers. If someone else performed it and recorded it first and then you sing it, even if you change it around and "make it your own" it is still a cover. You are covering what someone else has done. If you take a song and change keys and move bits around, maybe a new intro, different tempo or whatever, you are doing a different arrangement of a song, but it is still a cover. The confusion may come from the term 'cover band' which usually means a band in a bar that plays familiar songs and tries to sound as much like the original as their synths and tape loops will allow. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

05-21-2008, 07:15 PM	#77
Sleeping in EQ Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The People's Republic of Monsanto Posts: 3,085	My beef with AI is simple. While some of these folks can sing (and in various styles), I can't help but wonder: "Where's the songcraft?" "Where's the lyricist?" "Where's a band putting disparate or interesting elements together?" Simon Cowell would've sneered at Bob Dylan, if Dylan was an up-and-coming nobody. __________________ "Do not despise the words of prophets, but test everything; hold fast to what is good; " 1 Thess. 5:21 (NRSV) We all trust our own unorthodoxies. Last edited by Sleeping in EQ; 05-21-2008 at 07:17 PM.

05-21-2008, 07:03 PM	#74
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	He doesn't need permission from Loco Ono. http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_324b.html