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SteelBlue · 10-07-2007, 08:07 PM

A quick google search led me here:

http://skdesigns.com/internet/articl..._deepest_fear/

mpfunk · 10-07-2007, 08:08 PM

My biggest problem with the talk was the anti-education for women thread in it and the not putting off kids part of it.

non sequitur · 10-07-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tooblue

Butt kicked? Don't think so buddy. The simple fact I don't wave the white flag means my position is far from untenable. Hence your desire to predict victory is born of the uncertainty of your convictions ... it's akin to Iran claiming there are no Iranian homosexuals

I know virtually nothing about UFC, but if it's on TV and I'm watching, I generally know which guy is getting his ass kicked. Same goes for rhetoric. I'm no expert on the subject, but I can usually tell when someone's eyes are swollen and nose is bloodied

Tex · 10-07-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FarrahWaters

What if all the men in the church were told that the noblest calling they could have would be as a construction worker? It's useful to society, you can stay physically fit, and you'd make very little pay, but it would be an honest living.

I object that the job of homemaker should be held up as the dream job for every woman. Do I look down upon women who like being homemakers (and are good at it). Of course not. But why should it be for everyone?

I am grateful to be a mother, and I know how important that job is. But one day, the kids will be in school and I don't think I will be happy as a homemaker.

What a horrible analogy. There is nothing inherently eternally exalting about being a construction worker, or undertaking any earthly vocation.

It is interesting that some folks have such open "homemaking" wounds that as soon as someone mentions the word, they start bleeding all over themselves and those around them.

Motherhood (and fatherhood) is the highest and most noble of all callings to which one can aspire. Not all will have that opportunity now (although we are told they will hereafter), and they should NOT be excluded or made to feel like less accomplished human beings or members of the church. But that doesn't mean we stop holding out the ideal as that goal to which we should aspire. Those who cannot discern the difference should stop looking to make a man an offender for a word.

tooblue · 10-07-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

I know virtually nothing about UFC, but if it's on TV and I'm watching, I generally know which guy is getting his ass kicked. Same goes for rhetoric. I'm no expert on the subject, but I can usually tell when someone's eyes are swollen and nose is bloodied

Check the channel.

Better yet keep telling yourself; 'tooblue doesn't exist, I'm right, tooblue doesn't exist, I'm right ... '

If my position is so untenable, dismantle it. I'll come back ofter the next session and check in. Or do you fear getting bloodied?

MikeWaters · 10-07-2007, 08:20 PM

My problem is this: why aren't men told more forcefully that fatherhood is their most noble calling?

Perhaps because it isn't?

If fatherhood was the most noble calling, what do we say of those who sacrifice it in performing time-consuming callings?

Maybe the reason why Pres. Monson didn't have more children? (who knows).

I would be interested to hear a talk about how men shouldn't trade material gain (working 80 hours a week in a big law firm) for time with their family.

I'll probably be waiting a long time.

Black Diamond Bay · 10-07-2007, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

My problem is this: why aren't men told more forcefully that fatherhood is their most noble calling?

Perhaps because it isn't?

If fatherhood was the most noble calling, what do we say of those who sacrifice it in performing time-consuming callings?

Maybe the reason why Pres. Monson didn't have more children? (who knows).

I would be interested to hear a talk about how men shouldn't trade material gain (working 80 hours a week in a big law firm) for time with their family.

I'll probably be waiting a long time.

I think for the most part men already know that. They don't need reassured.

I figure that they're never going to tell men to work less. I think the more prolific problem is men that don't work enough.

il Padrino Ute · 10-07-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

I figure that they're never going to tell men to work less. I think the more prolific problem is men that don't work enough.

This is an excellent point. Well stated, BDB.

non sequitur · 10-07-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tooblue

Check the channel.

Better yet keep telling yourself; 'tooblue doesn't exist, I'm right, tooblue doesn't exist, I'm right ... '

If my position is so untenable, dismantle it. I'll come back ofter the next session and check in. Or do you fear getting bloodied?

It makes little sense for me to debate you because, like Tex and Indy, you will eventually come back to the position that things are the way they are because God ordained that they be that way, and we are in no position to question God. That's not debate; it's retreat. We have irreconcilable points of view and I'm not looking for converts to my way of thinking. I am entertained, though, when I watch true believers square off and attempt the difficult trick of using logic to support unsupportable arguments. That is high entertainment.

OrangeUte · 10-07-2007, 08:41 PM

not to change the topic, but who in the hell put hales and scott back to back. i just woke up from a quick nap and scott is still going.

i'm going to go grab a coke or iced tea and then give my dog a bath b/c he stinks.

10-07-2007, 08:07 PM	#71
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	A quick google search led me here: http://skdesigns.com/internet/articl..._deepest_fear/

10-07-2007, 08:08 PM	#72
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	My biggest problem with the talk was the anti-education for women thread in it and the not putting off kids part of it.

10-07-2007, 08:20 PM	#76
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	My problem is this: why aren't men told more forcefully that fatherhood is their most noble calling? Perhaps because it isn't? If fatherhood was the most noble calling, what do we say of those who sacrifice it in performing time-consuming callings? Maybe the reason why Pres. Monson didn't have more children? (who knows). I would be interested to hear a talk about how men shouldn't trade material gain (working 80 hours a week in a big law firm) for time with their family. I'll probably be waiting a long time.

10-07-2007, 08:41 PM	#80
OrangeUte Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 748	not to change the topic, but who in the hell put hales and scott back to back. i just woke up from a quick nap and scott is still going. i'm going to go grab a coke or iced tea and then give my dog a bath b/c he stinks.