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View Poll Results: How True do you think the Book of Mormon is? | |||
Every word of it is true. | 8 | 22.86% | |
It's mostly true, but with a couple of errors. | 11 | 31.43% | |
The events are more or less true, but reported with an extreme historical bias. | 6 | 17.14% | |
The text could very roughly correlate to a plausible series of events. | 3 | 8.57% | |
Some Joe pulled the thing out of his hat. It's false. | 7 | 20.00% | |
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04-30-2007, 02:06 PM | #61 | |
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I know we've had this discussion before, but...
After one dissembles the claims of the BoM, one is still left shaking one's head. First, how coudl a poorly educated man, who was a man interested in magic and treasure, produce a work of its complexity. (The usual answer is, he didn't; which begs the question, where is this mysterious "real" author? Wouldn't some evidence of true authorship have come forward?). Second, there are three witnesses not related to Joseph Smith and ones who didn't remain active in the faith for their whole lives that never recanted their testimonies. That alone is not "proof" but it is interesting. This isn't first century, but recent in historical terms. (Don't you think Sidney Rigdon may have tried to dissemble what JS did after separation?) Third, how could a work contain vestiges of Greek classical learning and Hebraic trends? Those are the first three questions which always arise every time I dissemble its origins. Because we as members have a sanitized version, and disbelievers take it as a complete fraud, not all the pieces fit together.
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04-30-2007, 02:22 PM | #63 | |
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04-30-2007, 02:35 PM | #64 |
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Maybe JS saw the thoroughfare "Alma Road" in Dallas in vision and used it.
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04-30-2007, 02:44 PM | #65 |
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What I find funny is that Jerusalem finds its way onto that list.
This must have been a numbers game.
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04-30-2007, 02:47 PM | #66 |
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I think what's more likely is he read those names from Reformed Egyptian inscribed on solid gold plates that were subsequently taken to heaven by an angel.
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04-30-2007, 02:51 PM | #67 | |
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If, JS, didn't write it, who did, and how do we know that that person lived in the same area and was aware of all of those names? Here we have a poor, uneducated, "lazy" youth, who chased "treasure" and "magic", how could such a lad have concocted it without anybody being the wiser?
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04-30-2007, 03:11 PM | #69 |
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Just think about what you taught as the First Vision and what's in the Pearl of Great Price.
It's a neatly shorn down version of his history. Then compare with Bushman's and "Brodie's fiction". Is there anything in their about his fascination with magic or treasure hunting? Now the First Vision claims he was hated for having told people he had seen a vision. Closer inspection doesn't seem to bear that out. Everything taught to the average member is completely laudatory and hagiographic. He was a giant among men, won all athletic contests, translated foreign languages without effort. Do we talk about the sticking his head in a hat? Do we talk about his whistle or the fact his wife said, he couldn't even pen his own letters? Mind you, I believe JS was a remarkable individual, who grew into his prophet's role. I don't know what to make of the polyandry, never have known, never will. Yet the average member only sees him as super man against the world leaping small continents in a single bound.
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