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But a man's closest friends and associates influence his thinking, and it's a fair thing for the electorate to weigh in their decision. In this respect, Obama's relationship with Wright bears no resemblance to McCain's to Falwell. It's a bad case of "they do it too!" which really does nothing for your position.
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Is this supposed to be a response? I already said Carville and Matalin's relationship is well-known and well-defined. Pretending that it's the same with Wright and Obama is again foolhardy. Moreover, neither of them is running for President.
But for what it's worth, I think either Carville or Matalin would have trouble running for the presidency of their respective parties, for (at least) that reason. I think it would certainly be a campaign issue.
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First of all, you are pretending to know the depth of the relationship between Obama and Wright. He has gone to the church for 20 years and he has thanked Wright in the past. What else do we know about the relationship? Little, and yet you have already made them domestic partners. Second, Obama has already distanced himself from Wright's politics, just like Carville and Matalin clearly have. Your position of "it isn't enough" is as vague as most other positions you take. What is enough, Tex? Take a position on something for once. Third, the treatment Obama is receiving from Republicans in particular for his association with Wright is hypocritical, at best. Notice McCain isn't saying much? He doensn't want to tread in this water. To do so would be foolish with his association with Falwell and others he vowed never to associate with in 2000 (only later to cozy up to them). In the spirit of Tex, here is a nice little article on the topic you may find interesting. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-...e_b_91774.html |
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This post has nothing to do with the thread topic, so feel free to ignore.
I've noticed a favored trend of those debating issues on this board is to attempt to brow-beat someone into defining their opinions specifically enough to then show where their definition doesn't fit. Obviously hoping to claim some sort of victory. Pretty disingenuous method, IMO. Not only does it result in misleading conclusions, but creates an atmosphere where defining oneself is contrary to one's best interest. |
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One wonders why Obama's objection to the man's visceral hate didn't come up earlier. Quote:
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Just to see if I'm following this debate correctly...
Tex: Obama's close association with Wright will hurt his electability. His closeness to Wright is more damaging than McCain's association with Fallwell because of proximity & influence of Wright. Cali: Obama & Wright's relationship is no better or worse than McCain's with Fallwell, and won't have a dramatic affect on electability for either party. Proximity & influence are not distinguishing factors in differentiating the two relationships. If I've got the gist of things correct, I fail to see why you're still going at each other. Neither of you is likely to convince each other (or anyone else) of your opinion. |
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As justified as black anger is, one takes a chance in how people will react to it. Martin Luther King understood this and appealed to the better parts of our beings and changed a nation. Rev. Wright doesn't and limits his reach. Who had a greater impact on paving the way for Obama's candidacy. Perhaps Obama's association with his church was out of political expediency early on in his career, making denouncing his preacher a simple political calculation.
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It's just a discussion.
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