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I don't think it's cynical, I think it's understanding the basic nature of fallen humanity. And being grateful that Jesus has provided a way to cover it. Well, you're certainly quick to point what it "isn't". So what do you think it might be?
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As with santos, you appear to have a fundamental misconception of the differences between terrestrial and telestial glories. Quote:
It's like the difference between asking me what I think BYU's record will be in 2008, and what it will be in 2071. EDIT: I will give you my hunch. I suspect that the Lord will be as gracious as he possibly can be, and some may be surprised at how far the atonement reaches, and at how many gain celestial glory.
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Degree doesn't matter at all. If you say degree matters, you are the one that a) has no understanding of LDS doctrine of fall and atonement or b) the definitions of the three kingdoms. Degree doesn't matter. One (or a million) sin unrepented and you're out of celestial kingdom. A million (or one) sins all repented for and you're in the celestial kingdom. |
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What a fruitless exercise mortality is. Based on the above comments, I should just wax myself and my family and move on to the more important things since our exaltation is already assured.
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Here's what Paul said to those who said let's go sin since we're all saved. Paul uses the polemic technique all through Romans of throwing out the questions he's being threatened with by his critics. It's so odd to me that we as Mormons play the perfect role of what Paul is slamming against. People that slam Evangelicals or others who believe in easy grace by saying "well if we have grace, let's all just sin all we want!" Paul does it THREE times 3:8,9 6:1,2 6:15 and the answer in 6:17,18 on why works are still vital |
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Also, I see very little with the "old Christian heaven/hell paradigm" that doesn't fit with LDS doctrine, i.e. Christian heaven/hell = LDS spirit world paradise/prison. |
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Yes, but we're talking ultimate destination here. Try to stay focused.
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