07-23-2008, 07:26 PM | #61 | |
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So answer the question: why, in your opinion, do 8-year olds not understand doing wrong, feeling sorry, being forgiven, and Christ's role in that process?
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An IQ of 30 with no ability to articulate belief, other than a nod or semblance of a nod, would be enough for me to say it was ok to be baptized at 8. |
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Marriage is different because it generally involves the agency of 2 people, therefore the likelyhood that the decision is an "informed" one increases. But granted that many marry for the wrong reasons. For example, many that get married quickly realize that they are motivated by sex, but they want to get married anyway. The general notion of early marriage and big families....definitely a big social coersion within our culture. Not exclusive to our culture, but definitely does exist.
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Thought question: parents have a severely retarded child that has made no communication over its eights years of life. He opens his eyes. He eats. He moves his extremities, but not in deliberate communicative fashion. His limbs are atrophied from laying in bed, unable to walk. He is about the most severely mentally handicapped child you can imagine (these exist, I have seen them). He was predicted to only live to 4, but has beat the odds. He is now 8. The parents approach you the bishop about he being baptized. They say they have prayed with him, and told him things about the gospel, even though he does not communicate at all. Would it be ok?
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I have read about Piaget and Kohlberg; such info is helpful for parents, so I have it.
But don't be a puppet. Are you really saying that 8 year olds don't do wrong? That they can't "feel sorry'? That they don't understand, "I'm sorry" and "it's okay." That they can't understand Christ's role in this? If you're not saying this, then please explain.
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At age 8 your kids will have a very solid understanding of the concepts necessary for baptism: obedience, faith, repentance, and atonement of Christ. |
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I would call child baptism a custom. It is also obviously a "decision." But I wouldnt call it an "informed" decision. Just my opinion.
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But they feel he ought to be baptized. They have prayed about it, and feel strongly that he should be baptized, but wished to seek your approval. They ask you to pray about it. Reconsider. Will you? |
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